Origin of R1b in the Bashkir people?

[Illyrius]

Baskhirs have very homogeneous r1b paternal origin and it's not turkic by origin but totally different from other turkic peoples. I don't understand why do turkics claim every single haplogroup as "native turkic" what they have today and why do they deny that they assimilated many other non turkic tribes and peoples during the history. That's why turkics nowadays have different genetic from each toher and totally different paternal origin baskhirs are mostly r1b, yakuts are N, Kazakhs are C Turkmens are Q, turks are J etc etc...

Fair point.
They have assimilated many haplogroups and then they try to claim them as theirs
I think Q is the true native Turkic haplogroup.

[Blondie]

Fair point.
They have assimilated many haplogroups and then they try to claim them as theirs
I think Q is the true native Turkic haplogroup.

Yes, but the proto-turkics had other haplogroups not just Q, but nowadays most these r1a, r1b markers are result of assimilation and don't connected to protot-turkics.

[porpozontokonto]

I think Q is the true native Turkic haplogroup.

No. That would be N.
Q is Paleosiberian

And what the fuck is "true native Turkic haplogroup" anyways?

[Illyrius]

No. That would be N.
Q is Paleosiberian

And what the fuck is "true native Turkic haplogroup" anyways?

What I mean by that?
Quit playing dumb
You have assimilated and "stolen" many other y haplogroups that aren't yours.

[Illyrius]

Yes, but the proto-turkics had other haplogroups not just Q, but nowadays most these r1a, r1b markers are result of assimilation and don't connected to protot-turkics.

Fair point @Blondie.

You ever see those angsty and mad R1a turkics suffering from their identity crisis.
They go to such great lengths and put lots of effort to make up lies and misinformation regarding R1a-Z93 claiming it to be of Turkic origin which clearly isn't. But no one believes their lies anyway
It's hilarious how bad they fail at what they're trying to do.
They are so entitled and Aryan or White wannabes

[porpozontokonto]

What I mean by that?
Quit playing dumb
You have assimilated and "stolen" many other y haplogroups that aren't yours.

If you're talking about the speakers of Proto Turkic language, they were mostly N. Q was pushed back to west and to the Americas and was largely replaced in Siberia expect in small enclaves.

Turks were predominantly R1a when the Turkic identity was born.

[Chelubey]

If you're talking about the speakers of Proto Turkic language, they were mostly N. Q was pushed back to west and to the Americas and was largely replaced in Siberia expect in small enclaves.

Turks were predominantly R1a when the Turkic identity was born.

I agree with you.
I like the idea of ​​the proto-Turkic Hg Q, but this idea is not consistent with the recent expansion of Turkic tribes.
Archaeologists and geneticist have not recorded the migration of Q- rich tribes from Asia to Europe In 1 millennium.. It is present in ancient samples of Eurasia, but as a minor haplogroup in combination with hg R. Separate subclades of hg Q found in Europe and the Kazakh steppes as early as 5-6 thousand years ago in combination with hg R- this also does not agree with the recent expansion of the Turkic peoples. Cimmerians were Q-rich , but this is the beginning of the 1 millennium BC and they are not considered Turkic. In addition, I noticed that people who do not have basic knowledge about the Turkic peoples and their history like to talk about Turkic ethnogenesis. They think that Turkic ethnogenesis is a completely unknown page of history and that there is a lot of space for their speculative theories.

[Pine]

Which subclade of R1b? Why are you all obsessed with broad haplogroups from the time of fucking dinosaurs? There is no ethnic claim to R1b. All you can say that is that it's foreign to East Asians and Australian natives.

[Rocinante]

Seems to be that the major clade on bashkirs are U152.

[Givec]

Southern Bashkirs have Kalmyk admixture, but northern Bashkirs are far less than half Mongoloid (https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig5_332747456):



Bashkirs are semi-white in the same way as Southern Europeans. They are just mixed with different kind of Asians (North or Central and not West). Even Greeks are geographically European even though they are racially mostly non-European.

Obviously this little Finnish Asian still can’t understand who gave him culture and IE language.
Blond and pinky piggy white has nothing to do with Old Europeans and PIE.

Your color is a pure degeneration of genes and a lack of melanin because of the inhuman environment where you live. You just need to lose color to adapt, the opposite what negroes have again because of the peculiarities of the environment.