Origin of R1b in the Bashkir people?

[Givec]

Sure, but in Greece they're Mongols.

We call you Gypsies but unlike your baseless claims, ours lie on written history and facts.
Titus Livius,
History of Rome, 36.17 -the hostile army was more numerous and made up of far better soldiery; there were in that army Macedonians, Thracians and Illyrians, all very warlike tribes; here there are Syrians and Asiatic Greeks, the meanest of mankind, and born only for slavery ”. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/livy/livy36.html

[sailormoon]

The Bashkir population has a high percentage of R1b-M73 or R1b1a1a1 at 23.4%. One Sintashta_MLBA sample carried R1b1a1a1 that was dated 1878-1664 calBCE. The Sintashta culture prospered in the region that is now called Chelyabinsk Oblast, Russia, where some of the Bashkirs still live today. Their remote ancestors who were responsible for the late Middle Bronze Age archaeological culture may have resembled the Bashkirs.

Russia (R1a portion) Srubnaya, Sintashta
I0419 U2e1 R1a1a1b2a2a Potapovka 2200-1900 BCE Russia
I0246 C R1 Potapovka 2469-1928 calBCE (3760±100 BP, AA-12568) Russia
I0422 T1a1 .. Srubnaya 1850-1200 BCE Russia
I0232 U5a1f2 R1a1a1b2 Srubnaya 1850-1200 BCE Russia
I0430 H3g R1a1a1b2a2a Srubnaya 1850-1600 BCE Russia
I0431 H2b .. Srubnaya 1850-1600 BCE Russia
I0361 H5b R1a1a Srubnaya 1850-1200 BCE Russia
I0358 H6a1a .. Srubnaya 1906-1631 calBCE (3455±56 BP, AA-47808) Russia
I0359 U5a2a1 .. Srubnaya 1850-1200 BCE Russia
I0424 T2b4 R1a1a1b2a Srubnaya 1850-1600 BCE Russia
I0360 U5a1 R1a1 Srubnaya_1d.rel.I0354 2050-1650 BCE Russia
I0421 H3g .. Srubnaya_1d.rel.I0430 1850-1600 BCE Russia
I0354 U5a1 .. Srubnaya_o 2014-1692 calBCE (3517±56 BP, AA-47809) Russia

I0233 U5a1 R1 Srubnaya 1850-1200 BCE Russia

I1019 W1c R1a1a1b2a2a Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1003 U4b1a1a1 I2a1a1a Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE Russia
I0942 H2b R1 Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I0986 H1 R1 Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I0989 H1 R1 Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1006 U5a1c R1a Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1082 U5b2a1a2 R1a1 Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1084 U2e1'2 R1a1a Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1008 T1a1 R1a1a1 Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1086 T1a1 R1a1a1 Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1065 H6a1a R1a1a1b Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1018 T2e2 R1a1a1b2a Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1055 U2e1 R1a1a1b2a Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1011 U5a2+16294 R1a1a1b2a2a Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE Russia
I1012 U2e1h R1b1 Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I0937 U5a1b1f .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I0938 H2a1a .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I0939 T2e2 .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I0943 J1b1a1 .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1013 K1a+195 .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1022 U5a1a2a .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1024 H2b .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1060 T2b .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1061 H5a1 .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1062 K1a26 .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1063 U4a .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1088 J1c2 .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1089 U5b2a1a2 .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1090 T1a1 .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I0982 J2b1d .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I7480 K2a5b .. Sintashta_MLBA 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1064 H6a1a R1a1a1b2a2a Sintashta_MLBA 1879-1694 calBCE (3460±20 BP, PSUAMS-2102) Russia
I1053 H2b R1a1a1b2a2a Sintashta_MLBA 1922-1763 calBCE (3520±25 BP, PSUAMS-2064) Russia
I1027 T1a1 R1a1a1b2a2a Sintashta_MLBA 1962-1775 calBCE (3550±25 BP, PSUAMS-1954) Russia
I1029 J1c5a .. Sintashta_MLBA 1973-1772 calBCE Russia
I0984 T2e2 R1a1a1b2a2a Sintashta_MLBA 2023-1782 calBCE Russia
I7670 J1c1b1a R1b1a1a2 Sintashta_MLBA 2200-1800 BCE Russia
I1010 T1a1 P1 Sintashta_MLBA_1d.rel.I1086 2050-1650 BCE Russia
I0940 U2e1h .. Sintashta_MLBA_1st.degree.rel.I1055 2050-1650 BCE Russia
I0985 U2e2a .. Sintashta_MLBA_1st.degree.rel.I1084 2050-1650 BCE Russia
I1054 H2b R1a1a1b2a2a Sintashta_MLBA_brother.of.I1053 1891-1746 calBCE Russia
I1007 U2e1'2'3 Q1a Sintashta_MLBA_o1 2050-1650 BCE Russia
I0980 H13a1a R1b1a1a2 Sintashta_MLBA_o1 2050-1650 BCE Russia
I0983 J1b1a3 .. Sintashta_MLBA_o1 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1017 H6b Q1a2 Sintashta_MLBA_o1 1929-1753 calBCE (3520±30 BP, Beta-436294) Russia
I1057 U5a1 R1a1a1b2a2a Sintashta_MLBA_o2 1949-1772 calBCE (3540±25 BP, PSUAMS-1953) Russia
I1020 J2b1 R1b1a1a2a2 Sintashta_MLBA_o2 2012-1774 calBCE (3555±31 BP, OxA-12533) Russia
I1056 U5a1 R1a1a1b Sintashta_MLBA_o2_brother.of.I1057 1886-1695 calBCE Russia
I1058 U5a1 R1a1a Sintashta_MLBA_o2_brother.of.I1057 1906-1743 calBCE Russia
I0941 U5a1 R1b1a1a Sintashta_MLBA_o3 2050-1650 BCE [based on 12 directly dates samples] Russia
I1028 U2e1'2 R1b1a1a1 Sintashta_MLBA_o3 1878-1664 calBCE (3440±30 BP, Beta-436293) Russia

[eatensemn]

r1a, r1b markers are result of assimilation and don't connected to protot-turkics.

Knock knock,

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...03.25.008078v1

Celestial Türks:

NOM001 M U7a3a R1a1a1b2 (R-Z93)
TSB001 M H14b J1a (J-CTS5368)
UGU001 M D2 J2a (J-L559; J-M410)
ULI002 M B4c1a2a J2a (J-L559; J-M410)
ZAA002 M C4a2a1 C2b1a1b1 (C-F3830)
ZAA004 M D4b1a2a1 C2b1a1b1 (C-F3830)
ZAA007 F D4l2 -

Orkhon Uighurs:

OLN001.A F D4 -
OLN001.B M B5b1a Q1a1 (Q-F1215; Q-F1096)
OLN002 F T1a1 -
OLN003 M T1a1 R1b1a2 (R-PF6505; R-M269)
OLN004 F H4a1a1a -
OLN005 M H6b R1b1a2a2 (R-Z2105; R-CTS1078)
OLN007 M D4 C2e1a1a (C-F3864; C-M407)
OLN008 F D4i -
OLN009 F J1b1b1 -
OLN010 M G3a3 R1b1a2a2 (R-Z2105; R-CTS1078)
OLN011 M B5b2a R1b1a2a2 (R-CTS1078)
OLN012 F D4j10 -
ZAA001 F A24 -

Xiongnu:

SKT007 M C4 Q1a2a1c (Q-L334; Q-L330) early Xiongnu

JAG001 M F1b1f - earlyXiongnu_rest
SKT002 M G2a1e R1b (R-M343) earlyXiongnu_rest
SKT004 F U2e1a1 - earlyXiongnu_rest
SKT005 M F1b1f R1b1 (R-M415; R-P25_1) earlyXiongnu_rest
SKT006 M G2a1e R1 (R-P236; R-M173) earlyXiongnu_rest

AST001 F I1a - earlyXiongnu_west
SKT001 F U5a1i - earlyXiongnu_west
SKT003 F I1a - earlyXiongnu_west
SKT008 M H Q1a2a1c (Q-L334; Q-L330) earlyXiongnu_west
SKT009 M I1a R1a1a1b (R-Z647; R-Z645) earlyXiongnu_west
SKT010 F I1a - earlyXiongnu_west
SKT012 M C4a1a4a J2a1h2 (J-L25) earlyXiongnu_west

BRL002 F HV6 - lateXiongnu_sarmatian
BUR001 F T2b - lateXiongnu_sarmatian
BUR002 M U2e1 E1b1b1a1b2 (E-V22; E-L677) lateXiongnu_sarmatian
BUR003 M J2b1a2a R1a1a1b (R-Z647; R-Z645) lateXiongnu_sarmatian
BUR004 F G2a5 - lateXiongnu_sarmatian
DUU001 F D4b1a2a1 - lateXiongnu_sarmatian
HUD001 F K1a19 - lateXiongnu_sarmatian
NAI001 M K1a12a1a J2a1h2 (J-L25) lateXiongnu_sarmatian
NAI002 / NAI003 M C4a2c1 R1a1a1b1 (R-Z283) lateXiongnu_sarmatian
TMI001 F J2b1a2a - lateXiongnu_sarmatian
UGU005 M U4a1 R1a1a1b2a2a (R-Z2123) lateXiongnu_sarmatian
UGU006 M Z1a J1 (J-M267) lateXiongnu_sarmatian
UGU010 M - R1a1a1b2a2a (R-Z2123) lateXiongnu_sarmatian

ATS001 F C4a1a - lateXiongnu_han
BAM001 F D4j3 - lateXiongnu_han
BRU001 M D5b1b2 J1a2b (J-P58) lateXiongnu_han
EME002 F B5a2a1b - lateXiongnu_han
SON001 M D4 NO (NO-M2308; NO-M2313) lateXiongnu_han
TUH001 M B5a2a1a C2b1b1 (C-M86) lateXiongnu_han
TUH002 M B5a2a1a J2a (J-M410) lateXiongnu_han
YUR001 M D5a2a1 N1 (N-L735) lateXiongnu_han

Khitans:

ULA001 M Y1a J2a2 (J-L581) Khitan
ZAA003 F F2a - Khitan
ZAA005 M D4c1b1 J2a (J-L212; J-M410) Khitan

[Blondie]

Knock knock,

lateXiongnu_sarmatian

Thanks to prove what i said.

[eatensemn]

Thanks to prove what i said.

The Sarmatians were eventually decisively assimilated (e.g. Slavicisation) and absorbed by the Proto-Slavic population of Eastern Europe.

So slavs have also stolen (?) sarmatians. Or they can't steal, because they are "white" but dirty turks of couse steal noble people.

Sorry for low quality logic but i'm trying to deal with german logic here.

Orkhon Uighurs:

OLN001.A F D4 -
OLN001.B M B5b1a Q1a1 (Q-F1215; Q-F1096)
OLN002 F T1a1 -
OLN003 M T1a1 R1b1a2 (R-PF6505; R-M269)
OLN004 F H4a1a1a -
OLN005 M H6b R1b1a2a2 (R-Z2105; R-CTS1078)
OLN007 M D4 C2e1a1a (C-F3864; C-M407)
OLN008 F D4i -
OLN009 F J1b1b1 -
OLN010 M G3a3 R1b1a2a2 (R-Z2105; R-CTS1078)
OLN011 M B5b2a R1b1a2a2 (R-CTS1078)
OLN012 F D4j10 -
ZAA001 F A24 -

[Blondie]

So slavs have also stolen (?) sarmatians. Or they can't steal, because they are "white" but dirty turks of couse steal noble people.

Sorry for low quality logic but i'm trying to deal with german logic here.

Orkhon Uighurs:

OLN001.A F D4 -
OLN001.B M B5b1a Q1a1 (Q-F1215; Q-F1096)
OLN002 F T1a1 -
OLN003 M T1a1 R1b1a2 (R-PF6505; R-M269)
OLN004 F H4a1a1a -
OLN005 M H6b R1b1a2a2 (R-Z2105; R-CTS1078)
OLN007 M D4 C2e1a1a (C-F3864; C-M407)
OLN008 F D4i -
OLN009 F J1b1b1 -
OLN010 M G3a3 R1b1a2a2 (R-Z2105; R-CTS1078)
OLN011 M B5b2a R1b1a2a2 (R-CTS1078)
OLN012 F D4j10 -
ZAA001 F A24 -

Iranic tribes lived in the southern part of East Europe before the slavic and turkic expansion happened, later they were assimilated into turkics and slavs.

[eatensemn]

Iranic tribes lived in the southern part of East Europe before the slavic and turkic expansion happened, later they were assimilated into turkics and slavs.

So sarmatians were, even tho they badly predate them, very different than early turkics, like "day and night" and they got unfortunately assimalited into an alien horde.

[Immanenz]

So sarmatians were, even tho they badly predate them, very different than early turkics, like "day and night" and they got unfortunately assimalited into an alien horde.

Sarmatians were IndoEuropeans, they spoke an Iranian language, so yes- they were pretty different to Proto- Turkic people, not just in language but also looks.

[Rocinante]

The common clade in bashkirs is U152, they are italians.

[eatensemn]

they were pretty different to Proto- Turkic people

So what is "proto-turkic" people in your mind?

I have always been thinking of steppe indo-europeans migrating to east asia and forming a nomadic confederation with devil's gate people, founding the turkic identity.