Origin of R1b in the Bashkir people?

[Illyrius]

The dinosaurs were Indoeuropean.Imagine their father Q.

Q isn't the father of R
It's P
Q and R are brothers

[Ymyyakhtakh]

Like Leto said, Bashkirs are European and not Central Asian.

In Triska et al. 2017 (Between Lake Baikal and the Baltic Sea: genomic history of the gateway to Europe), Bashkirs had fairly high ancient IBD sharing with Khanty:



The same paper suspected that the ancestors Bashkirs would have shifted their language during the Turkic expansion:

Tatar share moderate amount of IBD (3.55–7.35 cM per pair) with all neighbouring populations, while Bashkir share most of their ancient blocks (on average 8.62 cM per pair) with Khanty, a group of Uralic speakers from Western Siberia. We speculate that this disparity between cultural and genetic affinities of Tatar and Bashkir can be attributed to a phenomenon of cultural dominance: the population ancestral to Bashkir adopted the Turkic language during Turkic expansion from the east (language replacement event).

According to Post et al. 2019 (Y-chromosomal connection between Hungarians and geographically distant populations of the Ural Mountain region and West Siberia), Bashkirs share N3a4-B539 with Mansi and Khanty:

Hg N3a4-B539 (Fig. 3c), on the other hand, is prevalent among Turkic speaking Bashkirs and also found in Tatars but is entirely missing from other populations of the Volga-Ural region such as Uralic speaking Udmurts, Maris, Komis and Mordvins, and in Northeast Europe, where instead N3a4-B535 lineages are frequent. Besides Bashkirs and Tatars in Volga-Ural region, N3a4-B539 is substantially represented in West Siberia among Ugric speaking Mansis and Khantys.

There are Bashkirs who look very "Uralische":

Spoiler!

[Leto]

I never said they were European. They aren't white by any means unless you consider half East Asian people white (which I don't).
Just to clarify - there is nothing wrong with them, in fact their racial make up reflects their history and geographical location (transcontinental, at the crossroads of Eastern Europe and Central Asia/South Siberia).

[Kaspias]

Like Leto said, Bashkirs are European and not Central Asian.

In Triska et al. 2017 (Between Lake Baikal and the Baltic Sea: genomic history of the gateway to Europe), Bashkirs had fairly high ancient IBD sharing with Khanty:



The same paper suspected that the ancestors Bashkirs would have shifted their language during the Turkic expansion:

Tatar share moderate amount of IBD (3.55–7.35 cM per pair) with all neighbouring populations, while Bashkir share most of their ancient blocks (on average 8.62 cM per pair) with Khanty, a group of Uralic speakers from Western Siberia. We speculate that this disparity between cultural and genetic affinities of Tatar and Bashkir can be attributed to a phenomenon of cultural dominance: the population ancestral to Bashkir adopted the Turkic language during Turkic expansion from the east (language replacement event).

According to Post et al. 2019 (Y-chromosomal connection between Hungarians and geographically distant populations of the Ural Mountain region and West Siberia), Bashkirs share N3a4-B539 with Mansi and Khanty:

Hg N3a4-B539 (Fig. 3c), on the other hand, is prevalent among Turkic speaking Bashkirs and also found in Tatars but is entirely missing from other populations of the Volga-Ural region such as Uralic speaking Udmurts, Maris, Komis and Mordvins, and in Northeast Europe, where instead N3a4-B535 lineages are frequent. Besides Bashkirs and Tatars in Volga-Ural region, N3a4-B539 is substantially represented in West Siberia among Ugric speaking Mansis and Khantys.

There are Bashkirs who look very "Uralische":

Spoiler!

I think it is not because of simply linguistical change during Turkic expansion, but probably some Uralic population already absorbed in process of the creation of the Turkic ethnicity which brings Turks their Euro-like Steppe admixture. I don't eliminate the first option, but regarding ancient DNA of Turks, some already plot(or get in high amounts) Uralic even Ugric populations.

[Ymyyakhtakh]

I never said they were European. They aren't white by any means unless you consider half East Asian people white (which I don't).
Just to clarify - there is nothing wrong with them, in fact their racial make up reflects their history and geographical location (transcontinental, at the crossroads of Eastern Europe and Central Asia/South Siberia).

Southern Bashkirs have Kalmyk admixture, but northern Bashkirs are far less than half Mongoloid (https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig5_332747456):



Bashkirs are semi-white in the same way as Southern Europeans. They are just mixed with different kind of Asians (North or Central and not West). Even Greeks are geographically European even though they are racially mostly non-European.

[Leto]

Bashkirs are semi-white in the same way as Southern Europeans. They are just mixed with different kind of Asians (North or Central and not West). Even Greeks are geographically European even though they are racially mostly non-European.

Bullshit. Go troll somewhere else. Southern Europeans are not half East Eurasian, they are nearly entirely West Eurasian/Caucasoid.

Bashkirs are ca. 40% mongoloid on average. The least mong samples I've seen were in the low 30s.

[Ymyyakhtakh]

Bullshit. Go troll somewhere else. Southern Europeans are not half East Eurasian, they are nearly entirely West Eurasian/Caucasoid.

Bashkirs are ca. 40% mongoloid on average. The least mong samples I've seen were in the low 30s.

Please don't use swear words. Maris are about 30% or 35% Mongoloid, and they look way more white than Greeks or Bulgarians.

[Blondie]

Baskhirs have very homogeneous r1b paternal origin and it's not turkic by origin but totally different from other turkic peoples. I don't understand why do turkics claim every single haplogroup as "native turkic" what they have today and why do they deny that they assimilated many other non turkic tribes and peoples during the history. That's why turkics nowadays have different genetic from each toher and totally different paternal origin baskhirs are mostly r1b, yakuts are N, Kazakhs are C Turkmens are Q, turks are J etc etc...

[catgeorge]

Turks have the most colourful YDNA pie chart on the planet

[catgeorge]

Please don't use swear words. Maris are about 30% or 35% Mongoloid, and they look way more white than Greeks or Bulgarians.

Sure, but in Greece they're Mongols.