Origin of R1b in the Bashkir people?

[Immanenz]

So what is "proto-turkic" people in your mind?

I have always been thinking of steppe indo-europeans migrating to east asia and forming a nomadic confederation with devil's gate people, founding the turkic identity.

well, proto- Turkic were close to Mongolic and some Northeast Chinese tribe, but its true, they intermixed pretty early with other tribes including Sarmatians etc.

But why do you see them as devil´s gate people?

[eatensemn]

well, proto- Turkic were close to Mongolic and some Northeast Chinese tribe, but its true, they intermixed pretty early with other tribes including Sarmatians etc.

But why do you see them as devil´s gate people?

My idea is proto-turks were a bunch of steppe aryan tribes migrated into tungusic (devil's gate-like) people and formed a new nation. I don't really think turkic were mongolic-chinese like. But (later) mongolic admixture added.

[Rocinante]

It's really curious about these ethnic group have U152, We don't know how They can get that haplogroup, if Celtic and Roman people don't traveled there... We don't know any migration toward there..
Probably they've got U152 cause Eastern Celts that they traveled to there, Idk, but... could be..

It's strange actually, because they are really isolated and U152, from where it originated, it's too far away.

[Immanenz]

My idea is proto-turks were a bunch of steppe aryan tribes migrated into tungusic (devil's gate-like) people and formed a new nation. I don't really think turkic were mongolic-chinese like. But (later) mongolic admixture added.

This is certainly not the common theory as the "proto-turkic" homeland is Central- Asia but also from a language standpoint it does not make much sense. Kurds are more Aryan since they speak an Indo-Aryan language .

[Immanenz]

My idea is proto-turks were a bunch of steppe aryan tribes migrated into tungusic (devil's gate-like) people and formed a new nation. I don't really think turkic were mongolic-chinese like. But (later) mongolic admixture added.

This is certainly not the common theory as the "proto-turkic" homeland is Central- Asia but also from a language standpoint it does not make much sense. Kurds are more Aryan since they speak an Indo-Aryan language .

[eatensemn]

This is certainly not the common theory as the "proto-turkic" homeland is Central- Asia but also from a language standpoint it does not make much sense. Kurds are more Aryan since they speak an Indo-Aryan language .

Yes but kurds still live in the place where they originated. But aryan ancestors of turks "migrated" to east asia and they shifted to local language of course. From y-dna lineages it's very clear i think.

[Immanenz]

Yes but kurds still live in the place where they originated. But aryan ancestors of turks "migrated" to east asia and they shifted to local language of course. From y-dna lineages it's very clear i think.

Proto Turks are closest to Proto-Mongolic people, so this makes not sense. but of course mixing with some IndoIranian/Sarmatian people was very early.

[Ülev]

[eatensemn]

Proto Turks are closest to Proto-Mongolic people

A clear no. I think proto-turks were a confederation of steppe people and east asians. We have mixed caucasoid and mongoloid individuals in all early turkic burials if i'm not mistaken. Also we have non-iranic y-dna lineages in turks and nothing explains this except "very early" aryan migration into east asia. As we see here r1b clade in bashkir people.

Kapsias may comment on this better.

[Ülev]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...n-was-R1b-M343