Origin of R1b in the Bashkir people?

[Immanenz]

A clear no. I think proto-turks were a confederation of steppe people and east asians. We have mixed caucasoid and mongoloid individuals in all early turkic burials if i'm not mistaken. Also we have non-iranic y-dna lineages in turks and nothing explains this except "very early" aryan migration into east asia. As we see here r1b clade in bashkir people.

Kapsias may comment on this better.

Proto-Turks did not speak an IndoEuropean language, that means this Aryan people were integrated in Turkic people. If we are only talking about a "Proto Turkic" aka first speakers of Turkic language, this can only be logically not Aryan-speakers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4405460/

[eatensemn]

If we are only talking about a "Proto Turkic" aka first speakers of Turkic language, this can only be logically not Aryan-speakers.

Ok i need to explain better, my idea is aryans migrated into a transeurasian-language area and formed turkic languages jointly with locals, leaving their own language. This also explains some very early proto-ie loans in the turkic languages.

Martine Robbeets's latest transeurasian study.

[Immanenz]

Ok i need to explain better, my idea is aryans migrated into a transeurasian-langua area and formed turkic languages jointly with locals, leaving their own language. This also explain some very early proto-ie loans in the turkic languages.

This makes no sense because those locals they "joined" spoke a Proto- Turkic language, therefor those were the Proto Turks.

[eatensemn]

This makes no sense because those locals they "joined" spoke a Proto- Turkic language, therefor those were the Proto Turks.

My idea is the locals were some sort of transeurasian-language speakers and turkic languages were formed by the contributions of migrants.

[Immanenz]

My idea is the locals were some sort of transeurasian-language speakers and turkic languages were formed by the contributions of migrants.

well, got it but nope, this is not what "Proto-Turkic" is.

[Shubotai]

Celestial Celts

There is a theory about a Roman legion that made it there, but it is hard to accept. More likely R1b-U152 that initially stayed behind.

Bashkir is also one the most pure forms of Turkic language out there along with Turkmen -minus Persian influence- preserving certain sounds and that maybe relates to the the fact that they are a QR group mostly Q-M25 and R-M343.

I also understand there is a lot of N in various Turkic peoples but it belongs to downstream Uralic subclades like N-TAT>P43 that doesn't make original Turks N but makes modern Turkic peoples like Turkish Uralic in origin.

And for adherents of the altaic mongoloid origin of Turks I would suggest C-F1756>F3830 mentioned in an earlier post as well as in here.

[Illyrius]

Celestial Celts

There is a theory about a Roman legion that made it there, but it is hard to accept. More likely R1b-U152 that initially stayed behind.

Bashkir is also one the most pure forms of Turkic language out there along with Turkmen -minus Persian influence- preserving certain sounds and that maybe relates to the the fact that they are a QR group mostly Q-M25 and R-M343.

I also understand there is a lot of N in various Turkic peoples but it belongs to downstream Uralic subclades like N-TAT>P43 that doesn't make original Turks N but makes modern Turkic peoples like Turkish Uralic in origin.

And for adherents of the altaic mongoloid origin of Turks I would suggest C-F1756>F3830 mentioned in an earlier post as well as in here.

I see i see. Makes sense

About the R1b U152. That's Indeed as odd.

How did a subclade of R1b show up amongst them?
Do you have any more data on this?

[Shubotai]

n* M73 M269(xL23) L23(xM412) U152

South-East Bashkirs 329 77 8 106 2

West Bashkirs 54 0 0 0 0

South Bashkirs 79 0 2 9 1

North Bashkirs 70 1 0 2 50

South-West Bashkirs 51 1 0 0 0

Total 586 79 10 126 53

* number of Bashkir samples

A major Y-chromosome haplogroup R1b Holocene era founder effect in Central and Western Europe