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    Default Greek, black and proud: a village in Greece with African roots

    The village of Avato, in the northeastern prefecture of Xanthi, is home to a unique community whose ancestors are believed to have come to Greece from Sudan during the Ottoman rule. "What are you looking for, young woman? The village shepherd asks. He's got African looks but speaks in the local accent, a combination that would surprise anyone who accidentally wandered into Avato, a village 26km south of Xanthi, a city in northeastern Greece .
    There, away from the eyes of the world, live the black Greeks of Thrace, whose ancestors came to the country during the Ottoman rule as slaves of local beys (or governors).
    Now Greek citizens, they are confused about their origins. Some believe that their ancestors came to the country as British mercenaries during the first world war. The roots of an entire village is a small detail in the sum of world history. One unique characteristic that sheds light on the mystery of their presence is the colour of their skin. "As black as the scarf you're wearing. That's what we were once like. Today, there are only a few of us left," is how one person from the low-lying village put it to me.
    It's early afternoon on a frosty February day and I'm at the home of Hakic Mehmetoglu. Standing in the yard, he turns the mirror to catch a few rays of the sun and corrects the shape of his thin grey moustache.
    We were born here, grew up here. We're Greeks. This is our homeland – Hakic Mehmetoglu (85)
    Five or six wild geese are guarding his property, attacking like dogs any stranger – like the writer – who dares to enter the property uninvited. And my presence audibly infuriates the other animals in the courtyard."What do you want, young woman?" says the owner in a deep voice.
    "You're welcome, but tell me something. Why did you come to me? I'm a grandfather," he says in his unmistakable Thracian accent.
    "He's the darkest of us all," his fellow villagers had told me earlier in the local cafe. His name is Hakic Mehmetoglu, and was born and bread in Avato.
    "We were born here, grew up here. We're Greeks, my girl. This is our homeland. Many times, we're asked where we are from. Our grandparents were brought here as slaves by the Ottoman beys – and here we've remained. Our origins are in Arabia," he says proudly.
    But the prevailing theory on the villagers' origin, however, is that they come from Africa, possibly from Sudan.
    'Only in Avato'
    "Wherever else you go, you won't find black people. No where else in Thrace will you find us; only in Avato. In the past, there were some in the surrounding villages. Now there are four families left. The village was was the seat of the bey, so that's why the blacks are here. I heard from the old people, from my late father, that our village was once a marsh. So that's why it's called Avato [meaning "inviolate" or "untrodden"]. My dad was black. Very black!" says the owner of the cafe, Rasim Raim (55), whose countenance and blue eyes suggests he's of a mixed background.
    "My mother was from the Caucasus, my grandfather from Sudan. That's all I know," he says. "I asked my father – he said that during the first world war, they brought in mercenaries to fight. And some stayed. I should have recorded it on tape, so I'd have the story. Because all that will be forgotten soon."
    The village mosque – which has no minaret due to the crisis – indicates the religious identity of the village, where many of the locals speak a mix of Greek and Turkish.
    "We're Greek Muslims of African origin," Raim says. "We've never agreed on our origins. You can hear lots of versions," he says. "My grandmother was from Sudan. She spoke Arabic. I remember her sitting by the fireplace and looking for a lighter. And she said to me, 'Give me nar.' She asked me for a light, in Arabic."
    Up to the 1990s, "no one had married a Greek woman. In the old days, the bey married us off among ourselves. Who do foreigners marry in another country? A foreigner. This all changed gradually," says Raim.
    The first mixed marriages happened in 1945, with women from Kardzhali, a town located 130km away in southern Bulgaria. And the result? "My parents were black, my grandparents even blacker, my own kids somewhat black and my grandchildren mixed!" says the village shepherd Bahri Memetoglu.
    "There's not a shepherd as black as me in Greece," he says. His wife, Aime Memet, approaches. If you didn't hear them speaking Greek, you'd wonder what a plump African woman was doing on a Greek farm.
    With his crook, Mehmetoglu tried to prevent the lambs breaking free from the flock. "Things are difficult here. My son is unemployed. And these 60 animals, damn them, 30 of them are lambs. They have to eat first and then we make money on them. We sell the milk and the lambs. We're getting older but we still work from dawn to dusk," the old shepherd says.
    "Is there anyone else as dark-skinned in the village?" I ask him.
    "You're looking for black people? Why didn't you say? Nobody knows about this. There used to be many blacks here. Our children have changed; they're mixed. My son married a white woman. We're slowly losing our blackness."
    The only historical detail he'll impart to his grandchildren is that "they brought us from Africa, as servants for the beys. We don't know anything else."

    "If we could go back 300 years, then we'd find out how my ancestors came here. And if you go back to the first world war, you'll find out how they decided to settle here. My grandfather told my father that our ancestors were brought in through the port in Avdira (20km to the east) and from there they came here," says Ogun Sabri (41).
    "When you're asked where you're from, what's your answer?" I ask.
    "Greek, of course. Don't insult me now!" he says, clearly unhappy at the question. "Sorry, but I'm a bit funny when it comes to that. I've a problem. These are old wounds ... I'm Greek. I was born here, I did my military service here."
    "When I'm in a strange city, Africans come up to me in the street and say 'Hey man, what's up?". I just look at them. There I am, dressed like a Greek, with my normal jeans and small shoes, and they're wearing baggy pants and funny hats. Even when I was young, I used to look at them and think 'What are they wearing? What's going on here?' Now I know, they took to the road while we stayed in Avato," says Sabri.
    Since finishing primary school at the age of 12, he's worked with aluminium doors and windows in the village. "The economic situation meant I couldn't continue my education, so I started making doors and windows. I've been doing the same job for years, so I know it well by now," he says.
    Thirty years ago, when he was still in primary school, half of the pupils were black. "Today, there is only one or two who are black, really black," he says.
    "I married a white woman, from Moldova. My parents weren't too keen but I loved her to bits," says Sabri, who adds that there "is no racism here in the village. And in the town of Xanthi, they know us when they see us."
    Once, indeed, I was taken in to the police station because they thought I was an immigrant. They brought me to the police chief, I showed him my identity card and he stared at them before turning to me. 'What's he doing here?' he said. And I said: 'What have I been telling you all this time? Why did you bring me in for nothing? Leave me in peace!' – Ogun Sabri (41)
    Then he describes his experiences from travelling in Europe. "When I say that I'm Greek, people are amazed. Go and learn the history of your country, they tell me. Go to where you're from."


    Has he ever been stopped by the Greek police? He laughs. "What should I tell you? ... I think you can guess. They stop me and start asking 'What are you doing here?' and things like that. In Komotini, a nearby city, I've been stopped twice. Once, indeed, I was taken in to the police station because they thought I was an immigrant. They brought me to the police chief, I showed him my identity card and he stared at them before turning to me. 'What's he doing here?' he said. And I said: 'What have I been telling you all this time? Why did you bring me in for nothing? Leave me in peace!'"
    Regarding the villagers origins, Sabri says that "nobody can tell you anything with certainty. And you end up not knowing who you are."
    "Up to some years ago, I was determined to find out, even to the point to using DNA. I looked up the head of the Sudanese community in Thessaloniki and I received an invitation to go there to look for my roots. But I didn't go in the end. I got scared at the last minute. I don't know why," he says.
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    "My mother remembers them wearing rings in their nose. They're the descendants of families who worked the fields of [the Ottoman governor of Egypt] Mehmet Ali," says Ioannis Agkortsas, the local doctor in Avato, who says he tries to keep the locals in touch with their past.
    "They were brought to work in the fields. At the time of the exchange of populations under the Lausanne treaty between Greece or Turkey, they were told they could stay or leave. They had nowhere else to go, so they stayed here. In 1923, they officially became Greek citizens and, as such, took a share of the estates left behind by the Turks, with the authority of the Greek government," he says.
    The community has received little attention from academics. The first researcher to write about the blacks of Thrace was Prince Peter (1908–1980), the anthropologist grandson of King George I of Greece who studied the villages of northern Greece and was impressed by this particular community.
    Young children play in the streets of Avato. "There are about 50 children in the village. The school is in Erasmio, about 40 minutes way on foot. We get there by car," says Merve Sabri, a pretty middle school student.
    Aged 14, she speaks English, Turkish, Greek and some German, listens to Greek and Turkish music, regrets that "so many children don't go on to study after high school", dreams of becoming a hairdresser and complains that there's no cinema nearby.
    "We pass the time on Facebook," she says.
    When it comes to genealogy, she doesn't know much. What she does know, like most of the kids around, is that "my grandmother was black".
    But the story of how their ancestors lived; their troubles, customs and traditions; their journey from Africa to Xanthi, their enslavement, and freedom in 1923, was lost forever in the stories told by grandparents that no one can now really remember, leaving Merve's only links with Sudan in her hair and her lips.
    Slowly but surely, a legend will be the only thing left. That Africans once lived in the village of Avato. http://www.enetenglish.gr/?i=news.en...BNKTa7DHJuVP6I



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    Similar people exist in Turkey too, they are cool

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    Sikeliot would scream and cry with this post.

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    [QUOTE = Dorian; 6475388] Не гръцки точно ..
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    Very interesting. It is good that they are preserved
    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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    Black people live(d) also on the territory of Abkhazia. Worked on the plantations during the Ottoman rule, some sources say that they appeared later in the Russian period.




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    We had a thread somewhere about them, I think it was lost after the forum's backup. There were also some suspicious phenotypical plates from Dobruja, I think classified as muslim Gypsies but they looked SSA af.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faklon View Post
    We had a thread somewhere about them, I think it was lost after the forum's backup. There were also some suspicious phenotypical plates from Dobruja, I think classified as muslim Gypsies but they looked SSA af.
    These people aren't Gypsies but its obvious from their phenotype that most have native SSA roots or influence.

    Gypsies and Afros even if you consider dark Gypsies who have about the same or comparable skincolor look different it is not
    difficult to distinguish them.


    Only person who looks Gypsy here and not Black or Afro is the boy who plays drums and sings in Turkish.
    Since the drummer sings in Turkish it is obviously an Ottoman population brought there like the Blacks who live now in Turkey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspirin View Post
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