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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    No, Italian fascists were not racists in the common conception of the word. Purely biological/physical racism is 100% a fruit of post-18th century Northern European societies. The Romans and Greeks, for example, never had biological/physical conceptions of race like the modern one that emerged in England/Germany.

    Everything started with the French Enlightenment and Arthur de Gobineau

    ..Germans and English arrived later..

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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissance12 View Post
    Everything started with the French Enlightenment and Arthur de Gobineau

    ..Germans and English arrived later..
    Can you give sources and quotes of this individual never heard of him

    What i have seen about the subject so far is ,the first authors who wrote in a systematic manner about race,scincolor and connected
    it with eugenics as well as with physical,intellectual and psychic qualities were indeed authors of German or English descent.

    Also i think the rise of such notions and conceptions have to do with Charles Darwin and his theories who was an English Man as well

    Though Darwin himself i believe never proposed that his theories should be transfered or applied to humans
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    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Arthur-de-Gobineau


    The slaves and particularly the atlantic slave trade, had nothing to do with SCIENTIFIC RACISM..
    Slaves were common in every society, but Europe, in XVII-XVIII century.. but slave condition ( or something similar) was common in all Europe till the renaissance..

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    Fascist Italy was a joke during the IIWW, moreso they were a burden to Germany, who carried out the entire effort of the war.

    Hitler and Nazi Germany views on anything can like you or not, but at least they were effective on getting their clear objectives.

    Mussolini moved from the alliance with the democratic powers to prevent Hitler´s ascenssion in Austria (Stressa Front), to two years later sign an agreement with Adolf and invade Ethiopia, to finally the military disasters of France, Greece and Libya, all which kept military german efforces and prevented focusing in their main goal (they even got new unncesary enemies as Greece or Yugoslavia that could have been allies). And in a first stage Mussolini didn´t wanted to enter to the war, he did because the german successes (and anyway it was very ridiculous)

    In his last years Mussolini become a toy in Hitler´s hands and abanoned the monarchism that he supported during part of his political life.

    Mussolini didn´t have a clear idea on ideology and politics farer than the mesianism and devotion to himself (the incarnation of the nation), he just moved as feather on the air (before becoming nationalist-fascist he was socialist). He could have been anything.

    This is very typical in Italy, do not have a clear idea and lying-cheating on politics, and italians at the bottom of their minds love it, because they are so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Sudaca View Post
    It is true that the Manifesto della razza was published just because of the nazi strong influence in Italy, but anyways it was published, so if you were not of pure "aryan" race, most if you were jewish, you could be easy killed.
    Italian Jews were not sent to camps until the Germans set up their puppet state in Italy in 1943. The 1938 race laws basically just took them out of mainstream society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffmannn View Post
    Off topic:

    Fascist Italy was a joke during the IIWW, moreso they were a burden to Germany, who carried out the entire effort of the war.

    Hitler and Nazi Germany views on anything can like you or not, but at least they were effective on getting their clear objectives.

    Mussolini moved from the alliance with the democratic powers to prevent Hitler´s ascenssion in Austria (Stressa Front), to two years later sign an agreement with Adolf and invade Ethiopia, to finally the military disasters of France, Greece and Libya, all which kept military german efforces and prevented focusing in their main goal (they even got new unncesary enemies as Greece or Yugoslavia that could have been allies). And in a first stage Mussolini didn´t wanted to enter to the war, he did because the german successes (and anyway it was very ridiculous)

    In his last years Mussolini become a toy in Hitler´s hands and abanoned the monarchism that he supported during part of his political life.

    Mussolini didn´t have a clear idea on ideology and politics farer than the mesianism and devotion to himself (the incarnation of the nation), he just moved as feather on the air (before becoming nationalist-fascist he was socialist). He could have been anything.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia...ntion_in_Spain
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Barcelona

    It was a joke yet occupied many territories with bad equipments, if this is being a joke...

    In France, Italy owned territories in the South East and Corsica returned Italian.

    PS: It's called Stresa Front not Stressa...

    Quote Originally Posted by Duffmannn View Post

    This is very typical in Italy, do not have a clear idea and lying-cheating on politics, and italians at the bottom of their minds love it, because they are so.
    Nice one, this is new to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinervaItalica View Post
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia...ntion_in_Spain
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Barcelona

    It was a joke yet occupied many territories with bad equipments, if this is being a joke...

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    In Guadalajara are still laughing on italian troops nowadays.

    In France, Italy owned territories in the South East and Corsica returned Italian.
    Hitler gifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffmannn View Post
    In Guadalajara are still laughing on italian troops nowadays.
    Really? Well it's easy to laugh when you don't even partecipate in WWII...

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    Hitler gifts.
    Mmmm nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinervaItalica View Post
    Really? Well it's easy to laugh when you don't even partecipate in WWII...
    Yeah, Franco did the smart thing and stayed out of it.

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