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    Default Why there is backwardness wherever there is Islam?

    Whereas wherever you have Cristians (especially Protestant), you see a calm and prosperous society, why there is backwardness and turmoil virtually anywhere there is Islam?
    There is a similar trend even inside Muslim regions. The more there is a rise in religiosity, the more backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heaven View Post
    Whereas wherever you have Cristians (especially Protestant), you see a calm and prosperous society, why there is backwardness and turmoil virtually anywhere there is Islam?
    There is a similar trend even inside Muslim regions. The more there is a rise in religiosity, the more backwards.
    I think you can answer it yourself coming from Muslim country

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    Because wherever it's present ,primitive races are too...so islam is not the cause ,it's just one more symptom..

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    Ultra conservatism, inhibition of human creativity to maintain orthodoxy (anti innovation) and retrograde Arab and Semitic costumes that is intrinsic to the religion. Its a very reactionary belief system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    Because wherever it's present ,primitive races are too...so islam is not the cause ,it's just one more symptom..
    Which primitive races?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapsid View Post
    Ultra conservatism, inhibition of human creativity to maintain orthodoxy (anti innovation) and retrograde Arab and Semitic costumes that is intrinsic to the religion. Its a very reactionary belief system.
    Interesting point. You are like describing a system creating self-made hell on earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heaven View Post
    Interesting point. You are like describing a system creating self-made hell on earth.
    I would not say that it creates hell on earth. Saudi Arabia is arguably preferable to North Korea for example (unless you are very unconventional, liberal minded woman). But conservative Islamic societies creates a society that arrest development to maintain the status quo and limit innovation to prevent orthodox tenets being violated. After all, Islam is not suppose to be 'corrupted' like Judaism and Christianity, since its the original and un-corrupted religion from God. Its an iconoclastic religion, that discourages representational art and music, two fields of human endeavours that from neo-biological point of view, stimulates human creativity and imagination (look at MRI and glucose brain intake studies). hence why Medieval Islamic anatomy lagged behind Post Renaissance era European anatomy in the age before photographs existed (look Andreas Vesalius fine detailed drawings or the 19th century Gray's Anatomy text-book). I remember in my early childhood in Leicester (an immigrant populated town in the UK) seeing Muslims parents debate about where their children are theologically allowed to watch television or attend class cinema, or attend art and design class since drawing living objects with eyes is considered bad in some hadiths.
    Islam also puts a heavy emphasis on route learning (e.g. spending your childhood learning the entire corpus of the Qur'an is idolised) and repetitive rituals such 5 times a day prayer. The repetitive behaviours has a long term effect on the brain. Islam (at least Sunni Islam) also follows the argument form authority fallacy, where a religious Muslim is not suppose to question to much about what Allah has reviled hence it better to suspend your critical faculties than to lose some faith in 'relived truths'. Of course in Islam, knowledge is generally seen as a good thing and is preferred over ignorance e.g. there is a Hadith where the prophet said to seek knowledge as far as China. But if that knowledge contradict scripture that it better to choose scripture over said knowledge for the religion sake, not on the weight of the evidences (for examples, the story of Adam creation vs modern Evolutionary theory). This thinking process will sooner or later class with modernity. This why North East Asians have a easier time with modernisation and handing a complex modern societies and an industrial economy than the MENA region, despite MENAs being geographically, genetically and (arguably) historically closer to Europeans (the first people to create an Industrial society).

    Its also why Islam is popular amongst Westerners who either failed in life (Prisoners etc), made unstable choices (e.g. Drug addiction), live unstable lives or feel rootless and alienated from society. For example, Islam became popular in Aframs living in lower income neighbourhoods (by product of jim crow and red-lining) since the 60s because (a) Its more against 'da white man' (b) Its provides more structural stability in their lives (its is a community rife with illegitimacy rates, drug usage, gun violence and discrimination). I mean who is more likely to adopt Islam on a larger scale, a faculty in a leading western university that does research in theoretical physics or evolutionary biology or a prison full of dispossessed minorities with grievances .
    Societies that have higher rates of cognition and an advanced material and social culture are less likely to adopt Islam as en-mass or make it a state religion. E.g. Both Sub-Saharan Africans and Han Chinese/North East Asians have been in contact with the Arabs and other Islamized people groups since the high middle ages. The Chinese had contact with Islamic Polities since the Tang Dynasties via conflict like the battle of Talas river or peaceful trade through the silk road that was dominated by Turkics, sogdians and Arabs. Yet it was the Sub-Saharans that a higher rate of voluntary conversion to Islam (nearly half of Africa is Islamic) than North East Asians, with only 0.5 of Han Chinese being Hui.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapsid View Post
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    Nice and informative post. Actually, friends of mine who have been Saudi Arabia report that the country is quite developed with "Sharia being only problem". Such Gulf countries don't produce anything, they live off hydrocarbon resources. And as such oil and gas resources are growing scarcer and are being replaced by renewable, environment-friendly solutions, Arabs are going anxious.
    That will bring the end of Arabs, and when you add global warming, those deserts will be even more unlivable.

    Arabs are aware of this. It is why they bribe their cucky slaves (political Islamics) from countries such as Turkey and Bosnia and are buying properties at cheap prices in those countries. They distribute passport to paradise in counterpart.

    South Korea being only 45 million is more productive in terms of innovation than the 1.6 billion Muslims. Actually even the Communist North developed the a bomb and intercontinental ballistic missiles, which random Muslims can't have the capacity to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heaven View Post
    Nice and informative post. Actually, friends of mine who have been Saudi Arabia report that the country is quite developed with "Sharia being only problem". Such Gulf countries don't produce anything, they live off hydrocarbon resources. And as such oil and gas resources are growing scarcer and are being replaced by renewable, environment-friendly solutions, Arabs are going anxious.
    That will bring the end of Arabs, and when you add global warming, those deserts will be even more unlivable.

    Arabs are aware of this. It is why they bribe their cucky slaves (political Islamics) from countries such as Turkey and Bosnia and are buying properties at cheap prices in those countries. They distribute passport to paradise in counterpart.

    South Korea being only 45 million is more productive in terms of innovation than the 1.6 billion Muslims. Actually even the Communist North developed the a bomb and intercontinental ballistic missiles, which random Muslims can't have the capacity to do.
    It's more of a genetic thing than a religious thing, East Asians have the highest IQ on average and are smarter than any other people on this planet. Protestants are pre-dominantly white North Europeans (Calvinists etc) and they are also higher IQ than other people regardless of ideology/religion, muslims are on average lower IQ because most muslims belong to low IQ race/ancestry. Just like black people belong to a race of pre dominantly low IQ people, black Christians and even Hispanic (Brown) christians can be as backward or more than muslims. So imo it's a matter of genetics and the development of culture surrounding those who adhere and belong to a certain genetic ancestry.

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    Malaysia seems to do ok. Must be more racial.

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