Why there is backwardness wherever there is Islam?

[Synapsid]

Malaysia seems to do ok. Must be more racial.

Really?



70% of Formal economy dominated by non-islamic Southern Han Chinese. They even have a system of affirmative action against the economically and academically Chinese and hindu minorities called bumiputra, despite being the dominate majority :/.

[Heaven]

Actually Malaysian and Indonesian economies are completely under the control non-Muslim Han. Singapore is also their miracle.
Were it not for American support to Muslim Malays and Austronesian elements in order to counter Chinese effect, the Chinese minorities would also take the control too.

As for Turkey, secularism enabled the country to modernize ever since the end of Ottoman era. However, with the rise of Muslim Arab nationalists (Ottoman Nostalgists etc) the once prospering country has redefined its orientation and stated to face towards countries such as Yemen or Afghanistan.
Value given to human life or overall life quality dropped dramatically in Turkey and continues to drop.

[Synapsid]

Actually Malaysian and Indonesian economies are completely under the control non-Muslim Han. Singapore is also their miracle.
Were it not for American support to Muslim Malays and Austronesian elements in order to counter Chinese effect, the Chinese minorities would also take the control too.

As for Turkey, secularism enabled the country to modernize ever since the end of Ottoman era. However, with the rise of Muslim Arab nationalists (Ottoman Nostalgists etc) the once prospering country has redefined its orientation and stated to face towards countries such as Yemen or Afghanistan.
Value given to human life or overall life quality dropped dramatically in Turkey and continues to drop.

How would you compare N.E Asians and Nothern Euros to MENA from your experience? And do you believe that Turkic people have the potential to do better? How is Erdogan's Neo-Ottoman dream impacting Turkey in a negative way?
Sorry for the mouthful questions but I would to see a Turks opinion on the matter

[Heaven]

How would you compare N.E Asians and Nothern Euros to MENA from your experience? And do you believe that Turkic people have the potential to do better? How is Erdogan's Neo-Ottoman dream impacting Turkey in a negative way?
Sorry for the mouthful questions but I would to see a Turks opinion on the matter

You are obviously Georgian and next to Turkey, if you travel to Turkey at regular intervals you would see the effects of increasing Ottomanism, Islam and integration with MENA.
Istanbul is being overcrowded and life is losing quality (becoming like Egypt or India), Turks being forced to pay higher taxes to feed Muslims, destruction of private property concept, removing gates and opening the country borders to anyone.
A path leading to national destruction.
A path justified and promoted by that religion.

[Synapsid]

You are obviously Georgian and next to Turkey, if you travel to Turkey at regular intervals you would see the effects of increasing Ottomanism, Islam and integration with MENA.
Istanbul is being overcrowded and life is losing quality (becoming like Egypt or India), Turks being forced to pay higher taxes to feed Muslims, destruction of private property concept, removing gates and opening the country borders to anyone.
A path leading to national destruction.
A path justified and promoted by that religion.

Are Turks getting more fed up by the situation?

[Heaven]

Sure. Last regional elections were won by secularist party which wants to depart from Middle Eastern phylosophy.

[Synapsid]

Sure. Last regional elections were won by secularist party which wants to depart from Middle Eastern phylosophy.

Would Erdogan eventually leave power? Who succeed him. That Imamgolu guy who won the Istanbul elections? Wouldn't there be a backlash by Islamist or conservatives who received Turkish support in MENA region or Africa (Somalia).

[Teutone]

Because wherever it's present ,primitive races are too...so islam is not the cause ,it's just one more symptom..

I doubt it, pre islamic civilizations of the middle east were quite impressive. I think Iran/Persia would thrive if it wasnt a islamic nation.

[Bosniensis]

Persia isn't Primitive
Pakistan = nuclear power
Turkey = doing well
Egypt = doing OK

Arabs are primitive, certain MENA sectarian tribal wars due to massive CNN, TIMES coverage.

Let's say.. CNN won't say how good Turkey is or How Iran is doing well, they will only show you some lunatics chopping heads.

If you curate your news from such media of course you will observe muslims as backward.

Also Ottoman Empire ruled mediterranean for 500+ years.. that isn't backwardness.

[Heaven]

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