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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Persia isn't Primitive
    Pakistan = nuclear power
    Turkey = doing well
    Egypt = doing OK

    Arabs are primitive, certain MENA sectarian tribal wars due to massive CNN, TIMES coverage.

    Let's say.. CNN won't say how good Turkey is or How Iran is doing well, they will only show you some lunatics chopping heads.

    If you curate your news from such media of course you will observe muslims as backward.

    Also Ottoman Empire ruled mediterranean for 500+ years.. that isn't backwardness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Persia isn't Primitive
    Pakistan = nuclear power
    Turkey = doing well
    Egypt = doing OK

    Arabs are primitive, certain MENA sectarian tribal wars due to massive CNN, TIMES coverage.

    Let's say.. CNN won't say how good Turkey is or How Iran is doing well, they will only show you some lunatics chopping heads.

    If you curate your news from such media of course you will observe muslims as backward.

    Also Ottoman Empire ruled mediterranean for 500+ years.. that isn't backwardness.
    The Ottomans did not rule the Mediterranean for 500 years. Only for perhaps 200 years before being beaten to a pump in naval powers by the Venetians and Iberians in the 1600s and first half of the 1700s and the Industrialised NW European powers of France and England in the 1700s and 1800s and WW1. By the time the Ottoman were at the Gates of Vienna, the great divergence had began and the game was up the sublime Porte, and the true steep decline has began after the treaty of Passarowitz. Western Science and engineering and Empirical-Rationalist philosophy have taken roots in much of Northern and central Europe. This translates in more advance military drills and doctrines (see Maurice of Nassau) and more Newtonian physics have given the Christian powers to develop more advanced weapon systems, while the Turks still used the old Humbaracı field artillery system that still depended on the old line of sight technique that was out dated in Enlightenment Era Western Europe. In-fact it was french man who introduced modern military warfare techniques to the Turks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude...re_de_Bonneval). And the Ottoman lasted as they did in the Balkans not due to Military prowess but intra-European power politics. Basically the French and British did not want to see Russia have access to the Dardanelles and a ice free base in Med, while the Austrians did not to see an over powerful Russia that may disrupt the balance of power in Central Europe and incite Pan-Slavism within Hapsburg territory. If western powers did not intervene, the Russians would have been at the Gates of Constantinople long ago. Also Iran publishes scientific papers barely above the level of Belgium, an small artificial state in Europe, and Iran is actually one of the two most leading science journal publishers in the Islamic world. And Egypt? An a nation of a hundred million where they have an GDP less than that of the Netherlands, where they dependent on US money to fund their over-bloated military and gulf petro-oil money for food support and to buy grain? LOL! The land of taharush and where 90% of Teenage girls have the vagina butchered for puritanical reasons LMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapsid View Post
    Would Erdogan eventually leave power? Who succeed him. That Imamgolu guy who won the Istanbul elections? Wouldn't there be a backlash by Islamist or conservatives who received Turkish support in MENA region or Africa (Somalia).
    Politics aren't predictable in Turkey. It is not easy to foresee from now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    Because wherever it's present ,primitive races are too...so islam is not the cause ,it's just one more symptom..
    So you think it's not islam who tend to transform people into savages.
    But savages tend to adopt islamic religion because it fit them better.

    You are probably right in some extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    Because wherever it's present ,primitive races are too...so islam is not the cause ,it's just one more symptom..
    Geez, you gotta do a DNA test bro. You'd be 70% Syrian-like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamm View Post
    It's more of a genetic thing than a religious thing, East Asians have the highest IQ on average and are smarter than any other people on this planet. Protestants are pre-dominantly white North Europeans (Calvinists etc) and they are also higher IQ than other people regardless of ideology/religion, muslims are on average lower IQ because most muslims belong to low IQ race/ancestry. Just like black people belong to a race of pre dominantly low IQ people, black Christians and even Hispanic (Brown) christians can be as backward or more than muslims. So imo it's a matter of genetics and the development of culture surrounding those who adhere and belong to a certain genetic ancestry.
    Go tell that to Israel to Israel who are genetically same as Arabs. If there was no Islam the IQ would increase, racial disparities do not exist and ancient Middle Easterners had one of the best civilizations in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    Because wherever it's present ,primitive races are too...so islam is not the cause ,it's just one more symptom..
    So like Albanian Muslims?🤔

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapsid View Post
    I would not say that it creates hell on earth. Saudi Arabia is arguably preferable to North Korea for example (unless you are very unconventional, liberal minded woman). But conservative Islamic societies creates a society that arrest development to maintain the status quo and limit innovation to prevent orthodox tenets being violated. After all, Islam is not suppose to be 'corrupted' like Judaism and Christianity, since its the original and un-corrupted religion from God. Its an iconoclastic religion, that discourages representational art and music, two fields of human endeavours that from neo-biological point of view, stimulates human creativity and imagination (look at MRI and glucose brain intake studies). hence why Medieval Islamic anatomy lagged behind Post Renaissance era European anatomy in the age before photographs existed (look Andreas Vesalius fine detailed drawings or the 19th century Gray's Anatomy text-book). I remember in my early childhood in Leicester (an immigrant populated town in the UK) seeing Muslims parents debate about where their children are theologically allowed to watch television or attend class cinema, or attend art and design class since drawing living objects with eyes is considered bad in some hadiths.
    Islam also puts a heavy emphasis on route learning (e.g. spending your childhood learning the entire corpus of the Qur'an is idolised) and repetitive rituals such 5 times a day prayer. The repetitive behaviours has a long term effect on the brain. Islam (at least Sunni Islam) also follows the argument form authority fallacy, where a religious Muslim is not suppose to question to much about what Allah has reviled hence it better to suspend your critical faculties than to lose some faith in 'relived truths'. Of course in Islam, knowledge is generally seen as a good thing and is preferred over ignorance e.g. there is a Hadith where the prophet said to seek knowledge as far as China. But if that knowledge contradict scripture that it better to choose scripture over said knowledge for the religion sake, not on the weight of the evidences (for examples, the story of Adam creation vs modern Evolutionary theory). This thinking process will sooner or later class with modernity. This why North East Asians have a easier time with modernisation and handing a complex modern societies and an industrial economy than the MENA region, despite MENAs being geographically, genetically and (arguably) historically closer to Europeans (the first people to create an Industrial society).

    Its also why Islam is popular amongst Westerners who either failed in life (Prisoners etc), made unstable choices (e.g. Drug addiction), live unstable lives or feel rootless and alienated from society. For example, Islam became popular in Aframs living in lower income neighbourhoods (by product of jim crow and red-lining) since the 60s because (a) Its more against 'da white man' (b) Its provides more structural stability in their lives (its is a community rife with illegitimacy rates, drug usage, gun violence and discrimination). I mean who is more likely to adopt Islam on a larger scale, a faculty in a leading western university that does research in theoretical physics or evolutionary biology or a prison full of dispossessed minorities with grievances .
    Societies that have higher rates of cognition and an advanced material and social culture are less likely to adopt Islam as en-mass or make it a state religion. E.g. Both Sub-Saharan Africans and Han Chinese/North East Asians have been in contact with the Arabs and other Islamized people groups since the high middle ages. The Chinese had contact with Islamic Polities since the Tang Dynasties via conflict like the battle of Talas river or peaceful trade through the silk road that was dominated by Turkics, sogdians and Arabs. Yet it was the Sub-Saharans that a higher rate of voluntary conversion to Islam (nearly half of Africa is Islamic) than North East Asians, with only 0.5 of Han Chinese being Hui.
    So then why did relatively civilized South Asians (Pakistan) and Southeast Asians (Malaysia/Indonesia) adopt Islam?

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    To those saying Middle Easterners are racially inferior please look at Israel who is better than all South Euro/East Euro countries and on pair with UK and France. I lived in Israel for a while and they're predominately Middle Eastern. Even Ashkenazim still are Middle Eastern. Is it a coincidence that Israel is better? Is it a coincidence that the only non-Muslim nation in the Middle East is the best one?

    No. Reality is very clear: Islam brings backwardness. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VigVagKesalt View Post
    To those saying Middle Easterners are racially inferior please look at Israel who is better than all South Euro/East Euro countries and on pair with UK and France. I lived in Israel for a while and they're predominately Middle Eastern. Even Ashkenazim still are Middle Eastern. Is it a coincidence that Israel is better? Is it a coincidence that the only non-Muslim nation in the Middle East is the best one?

    No. Reality is very clear: Islam brings backwardness. Period.
    Well Ashkenazi jews are genetically distinguishable from other semitic ethnicities.
    A bunch of the greatest minds were and are Ashkenazi jews, Israel profits from them too. But indeed Islam is holding alot of ethnicities back, Persia/Iran would be a great power without it.
    I think the biggest problem with Arabs is their culture of Cousin marriage which fucks the gene pool and leads to literal degeneration.

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