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    Quote Originally Posted by Nassbean View Post
    You're talking about economical and cultural development not a genetic one. In less than 500 years it's biologically impossible for anyone to evolve quickly and acquire new genes with such an impact. Also studies show that IQ is determined by the environment and our genes (but this genetic factor isn't specific to some ethnicities it's all about some individuals carrying certain genes ).
    There's no dichotomy there ,both feed from each other...culture/environment define the selection strategies and obviously for dysgenic islam to work out you need the dumbest to reproduce who in turn have higher birth rates ,how do you think this would translate to genetics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VigVagKesalt View Post
    This guy is genetically 99.1% Ashkenazi Jewish. Pure Nordid no?
    Genetics are facts and phenotypes are pseudo science, learn that. Phenotypes arent accurate enough to determine genetic background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    There's no dichotomy there ,both feed from each other...culture/environment define the selection strategies and obviously for dysgenic islam to work out you need the dumbest to reproduce who in turn have higher birth rates ,how do you think this would translate to genetics?
    It's not as simple as that and I don't see what's the difference between Islam and christianity when it comes to this topic they both promote reproduction at a high rate. Also Islam have billions of followers from all over the world so statistically I doubt that all of them represent the dumbest people and as I said don't forget the environmental factor so even if only the dumbest reproduce there is still another key factor

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    Quote Originally Posted by VigVagKesalt View Post
    They're slightly different from other Semitic ethnicities. According to GEDMatch I'm 13% only different genetically from them.
    Most Ashkenazi don't even get Palestinians in their top 20 populations on Gedmatch. They're closer to Greeks and Italians than you.

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    Because such is the nature of the people practicing it, for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamm View Post
    It's more of a genetic thing than a religious thing, East Asians have the highest IQ on average and are smarter than any other people on this planet.
    Eating bats is pretty dumb though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    North East Asians and Ashkenazi jews have a higher IQ than any European population.

    Height? I heard Balkans.
    Northern Europeans have high Spatial IQ, which is associated with mathematical and logical reasoning (though logic is also dependent on verbal iq).

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    Christianity did Latin America and Africa no great favours. Anglican Africans aren't exactly blazing a trail through STEM or the business world.
    Christianity seems to be "civilising" only because it is largely associated with Europeans, particularly Brits, Dutch, French and Germans. Nobody would pay it a second thought, if Hungary, Romania, Poland, Spain ... were there references, they're not that far off modern Turkey or Albania.

    That said, I think Islam is cancerous. It has fundamental issues that cannot be addressed, due to the existence of hadith and sunnah and the emphasis on "following the example of the prophet". This is especially troublesome, when your prophet engaged in banditry, rape, slavery, murder, suppression of opposition ... You have too many *bad* things being condoned by Islam!

    So, you can't change Islam without obviously breaking from the "rightly guided" and the sunnah/hadith. You basically have to do what China is doing, write your own Islam (also, similar to what Gaddafi did, iirc), using force to imprint it upon Muslims and censorship to remove traces of the prior Islam. If I recall correctly, there was a case of this kind of destruction of authentic texts, back when the quran was compiled, with contesting versions of the same verses and surahs being whittled down to an accepted truth.

    The basic problems are:
    1. Polygamy
    2. Prohibition of Interest
    3. Rigid gender segregation
    4. Daily prayers and ablution
    5. The demand that Muslims work towards the creation of a Caliphate
    6. The central position of Islam in culture

    Basically, Islam is brilliant for creating warriors, but only because it creates sexually frustrated young men, in large numbers.
    It is great for elites, as there is much in the hadiths that secures their rule and helps to keep authority beyond question and challenge. As long as you cover yourself in the garb of Islam. There is a massive amount of scholarship in Islam, which immediately elevates it beyond the scope of the ordinary semi-literate follower, and creates a power-dynamic similar to that which existed between priest and laymen, before they democratised Christianity.

    Further it condones cruelty and torture, both in the example of the conduct of Mohammed and Allah, and in the "hud" (the chopping of hands, lashes, stoning, etc.). This is obviously bad for generating a high-trust, low anxiety society and the kind of "God" it imprints on the believer, is one that luxuriates in its power and is unabashedly dominant. So, people take example from their God, in how they act in relation to those weaker than them.

    And, to cap it all off, the Quran/Allah says that poverty and misfortune are from Allah and present an opportunity for the powerful to bestow their charity upon the poor. That these things are a test for both the rich and the poor. This of course, encourages servility in the lower orders, as they are encouraged to look to the rich/mighty to "help" them, rather than to their own efforts. This also increases the paternalistic self-image in the elite.

    Islam is also *very* loud in its celebration of male sexual energies, both in promoting marriage (and procreation, breed more Muslims, Allah will provide!) and in glorifying war and conquest. It sharpens those desires, by allowing for the taking of "booty" in war, from slaves (including concubines) to gold and wealth of the conquered. It encourages the predatory side of the elites, as well as their thirst for war.

    And, in the combination of polygamy with rigid gender segregation, corporal punishment for fornication and the elitism that is born out of Islamic scholarship, the culture of Islam produces incels. Men with no understanding of women, or the pleasures of heterosexuality, who visit their urges upon boys (madrassahs are notorious for sodomy), and view women as simply objects that are to be guarded, as their "impurity" confers dishonour upon the guardian. So rape and the opportunity to act predatorily, with the sanction of the state, is an immense opportunity (war!).

    Most wars are orgies of rape and banditry anyhow, Islam just happens to create a culture that feeds off and promotes war. With the dysgenic impact of Islamic culture, the need for a "valve" to release that pressure, is Jihad. And this is why Islam is expansionist, so that there can always be a war to fight, to release that sexual/socio-economic frustration.

    Given all this, the average Muslim nation has little time to do anything during the day, beyond basic work to feed the belly. Much of the productive day is lost to futile "prayer", to the business of congregating and ritual cleansing (which takes time and imposes mental costs - most men try not to fart or touch anything haram, between prayers, so as to avoid having to do the ablutions again, for the next prayer!). Those that have an aptitude for learning, are channelled towards Islamic scholarship, as this provides a route to financial security, social status and - for the truly intelligent - serious power!
    Also, the establishment always need a good school of Islam, to back them and give them the shield of Islamic legitimacy. so there's plenty of money in it, for those with charisma and wit.

    The prohibition on interest, hampers large-scale investment from below, relying on only the public works of the state, as corporate loans is hard to raise, if opportunity costs of capital are not acknowledged (interest basically acknowledges that capital has competing opportunities and thus, any investment must offset the potential profits of alternative investments). This hampers the development of a large middle class and keeps things at an almost feudal level. So, market competition is little not non-existent. Innovations are more or less novelties, rather than opportunities for profit, as they are supposed to be in a free market (regulations and corruptions in Western markets exist, that retard innovation, deliberately).

    So, most of the males are blue-balled, because the elite can marry 4 wives and keep concubines. They can't even fuck because the girls are all segregated and, if you even got the chance, you'd still have to pray that you don't get caught and whipped/killed. And how are you supposed to raise the money to buy a home or to pay the mahr to marry a girl, if your society is mostly devoting its time to prostrating in congregation and debating the intricacies of living a halal life, in the day-to-day. There are no big businesses to employ you, there is a corrupt elite that eats up the nation's resources but you can't talk about it, because that elite is protected by Islam (and you will be killed if you defy your Islamic authority!).

    The best you can hope for, is to go off to fight, make some money, maybe fuck something, if you manage to capture someone ...

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    backwardness is everywhere
    muslims are less advanced because they give less importance to money and life on earth that's why they are less ambitious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamm View Post
    It's more of a genetic thing than a religious thing, East Asians have the highest IQ on average and are smarter than any other people on this planet. Protestants are pre-dominantly white North Europeans (Calvinists etc) and they are also higher IQ than other people regardless of ideology/religion, muslims are on average lower IQ because most muslims belong to low IQ race/ancestry. Just like black people belong to a race of pre dominantly low IQ people, black Christians and even Hispanic (Brown) christians can be as backward or more than muslims. So imo it's a matter of genetics and the development of culture surrounding those who adhere and belong to a certain genetic ancestry.
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