Do you consider Turks to be Arab?

[Alphawolf]

Religion does define culture. Turkish religion is Islam which came from what is now Saudi Arabia. Most Turkish I know are staunch muslims. I do not see how that is a a problem for anyone.

That is scientifically untenable. Religion must be seen as an empty signifier in a certain field of discourse. The culture of writing is of crucial importance. The Iranians do use the written Arabic language and writing, not the Turks; this written Arabism not only shapes thinking in a different way than orality does; Written language also takes on the part of "social priority". In a written culture, it is primarily the written language that is responsible for the tradition of knowledge and cultural memory. Not only are administrative and legal acts binding in today's Arabic written form; Success at school also depends crucially on the ability to deal with Arabic conceptual written texts in a productive and receptive manner.

To connect the Turks with Arabs is evidence of negligent ignorance.

[renaissance12]

Don't tell iranians they are arabs.

[Illyrius]

Don't tell iranians they are arabs.

No
They are pure Arabs
They look like Arabs, have Arab religion. Live in the deserts like Arabs. They even have haplogroup J2 which is related to the J1 Arab gene.

I think Tajiks or Afghans are more Iranic than Iranians because they have more haplogroup R1a Z93

[alpha.ghot]

No they are not Arabs. They are Turks.

[Oghuz]

No
They are pure Arabs

provide evidence that Iranians cluster with Arabs ? You can use any calculator.

have Arab religion.

4-5 billion people on this planet follow Semite religion. Whats the point ?

Live in the deserts like Arabs.

Iran is one of the most Mountainous country on earth. Most of the Iran is mountainous and most of the population lives in mountainous region.
Compare the population density map with the massive mountainous ranges.

No
They are pure Arabs
They look like Arabs, have Arab religion. Live in the deserts like Arabs. They even have haplogroup J2 which is related to the J1 Arab gene.

J2 is not Arab, its Caucasus and Mediterranean. If its Arab then Italy, Greece, Balkans are also Arab nations because they have higher frequency of J2 then any other nation including Iran.

Can you see which nations in europe are highest J2 carriers ?




Btw its a martial warrior haplogroup ... Iran, Turkey, Italy, Greece ... its prime nations have all created massive empires and ancient civilizations. Arabs(J1) themselves have created one of the largest empires on earth.

R1a itself came from Iranic Plateau. Read this paper which states that possible diversification and origin point of R1a M420 is Iran. R1a M420 is ancestor of all R1a subclades including R1a-Z93.

https://doi.org/10.1038%2Fejhg.2014.50

[Illyrius]

provide evidence that Iranians cluster with Arabs ? You can use any calculator.



4-5 billion people on this planet follow Semite religion. Whats the point ?



Iran is one of the most Mountainous country on earth. Most of the Iran is mountainous and most of the population lives in mountainous region.
Compare the population density map with the massive mountainous ranges.








J2 is not Arab, its Caucasus and Mediterranean. If its Arab then Italy, Greece, Balkans are also Arab nations because they have higher frequency of J2 then any other nation including Iran.

Can you see which nations in europe are highest J2 carriers ?




Btw its a martial warrior haplogroup ... Iran, Turkey, Italy, Greece ... its prime nations have all created massive empires and ancient civilizations. Arabs(J1) themselves have created one of the largest empires on earth.

R1a itself came from Iranic Plateau. Read this paper which states that possible diversification and origin point of R1a M420 is Iran. R1a M420 is ancestor of all R1a subclades including R1a-Z93.

https://doi.org/10.1038%2Fejhg.2014.50

I do agree with the J1 and J2 being martial arts and warlike haplogroups
J2 has somehow contributed to the creation of the Roman empire
Yes R1a Z93 is of Iranian origin. Only a fool would believe it to be of Turkic origin.

What about R1b
What are your thoughts on it.

[Oghuz]

That is scientifically untenable. Religion must be seen as an empty signifier in a certain field of discourse. The culture of writing is of crucial importance. The Iranians do use the written Arabic language and writing, not the Turks; this written Arabism not only shapes thinking in a different way than orality does; Written language also takes on the part of "social priority". In a written culture, it is primarily the written language that is responsible for the tradition of knowledge and cultural memory. Not only are administrative and legal acts binding in today's Arabic written form; Success at school also depends crucially on the ability to deal with Arabic conceptual written texts in a productive and receptive manner.

To connect the Turks with Arabs is evidence of negligent ignorance.

Turkish script was also Arabic till Ataturk changed it forcefully 90 years ago. Orkhon script was never used post Turkish identity formation after Seljuk Invasion.

Here is Ataturk introducing the new Latin script.



Middle Parsi Script was Pahlavi (before Islam) was also regional and neighboring to cousin to Arabic script, not very different from Arabic actually because both came from Phoenician family of scripts. The Seljuk Turkic used the same script as well because they were Persianized even before they invaded West Asia.

Can you see the similarity ? Technically Iranic script changed from one regional form to another. No one changed it to European form to look more European. Its not arabism, its accepting who we are.

[Daos777]

No Turks are anatolians cucked by Mongoloids.

[Illyrius]

No Turks are anatolians cucked by Mongoloids.

Funny thow how there's not much mongoloid haplogroups in there
It just goes to show how one small portion of the population cucked the majority of the population being Anatolians, with the small percentage being the mongoloid haplogroup Q, N R1a-Z93 ruling class.

[Reis-i Cumhur]

Funny thow how there's not much mongoloid haplogroups in there
It just goes to show how one small portion of the population cucked the majority of the population being Anatolians, with the small percentage being the mongoloid haplogroup Q, N R1a-Z93 ruling class.

That has nothing to do with anatolians.Most of Antic turks had caucasoid y-dna and seljuk turcomens Who came to Anatolia were about %70 caucasoid just saying