Do you consider Turks to be Arab?

[The Lawspeaker]

I don't care what they are. All I know is that they don't belong here in Europe or anywhere near Europe.

[VigVagKesalt]

I don't care what they are. All I know is that they don't belong here in Europe or anywhere near Europe.

[Marmara]

[MinervaItalica]

Culturally perhaps yes.

[VigVagKesalt]

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[lameduck]

No not at all , also I think very highly of Turks

Turks are one of the very few ethnicites outside of very specific clique of Europe and East Asia that have broken their monoply in two domians

1)a workable secular society , which is even more difficult in MENA and South Asia region because of so much baggages of ignorance among masses.
2) an industrialized proper economy that broken the middle income trap , I dont consider oil rich gulf countries as proper ecomomies.

[VigVagKesalt]

No not at all , also I think very highly of Turks

Turks are one of the very few ethnicites outside of very specific clique of Europe and East Asia that have broken their monoply in two domians

1)a workable secular society , which is even more difficult in MENA and South Asia region because of so much baggages of ignorance among masses.
2) an industrialized proper economy that broken the middle income trap , I dont consider oil rich gulf countries as proper ecomomies.

Are you sure about their economy? Last time I checked Turkey's GDP was the same as Netherlands; a country with x5 less population than Turkey. Also the people that import Turkish goods are mostly Arabs which Turks look down at.

[catgeorge]

Culturally Iranic-Arab.

[lameduck]

Are you sure about their economy? Last time I checked Turkey's GDP was the same as Netherlands; a country with x5 less population than Turkey. Also the people that import Turkish goods are mostly Arabs which Turks look down at.

what western euroepans have acheived is once in a millenia kind of achievment , netherlands per paper citation is lot higher than china(despite so much chinese investments on research) and Japan , shows the quality there, in per capita stuff they are even in different league.

If you draw more realistic comparsions you will realize achievements of turkey is no 3rd in this list

South Korea

China

Turkey

[Marmara]

what western euroepans have acheived is once in a millenia kind of achievment , netherlands per paper citation is lot higher than china(despite so much chinese investments on research) and Japan , shows the quality there, in per capita stuff they are even in different league.

If you draw more realistic comparsions you will realize achievements of turkey is no 3rd in this list

South Korea

China

Turkey

No, there is only one league. Unless you think some certain ethnicities-races are superior by birth, and some are inferior, there is no excuse for anyone to lag behind.

By considering Western Europe as a different league, you are setting limits to development, and consider poverty a natural occurrence for non-western countries, which in return brings more poverty. A Turk should not be proud but ashamed for not being compatible with West. It's true Netherlands has equal GDP with us and people must ask the question "why?".