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    Default Pannonian Avars were of East-Central Asian origin, new genetic study shows

    "We present here the first complete mitogenome dataset with Y-STR and Y-SNP profiles from the Avar period of the Carpathian Basin. Our results attest that the maternal and paternal genetic lineages of the Avar period elite in the Carpathian Basin were different from the European uniparental genepool of their period, and were mostly of East-Central Asian origin. The detected East-Central Asian maternal and paternal genetic composition of the elite was preserved through several generations after the Avar conquest of the Carpathian Basin."

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-57378-8

    This comes to dismiss the Pseudo-Avar theory, and shows clear proof of their origin in the Rouran Khaganate (330-555 AD).

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    They were also Heterogeneous according to this paper. 1 of the elites apparently was R1a(assuming balto-slavic branch) of East European origin. Otherwise it would have stated Central Asian Z93.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnusDark View Post
    They were also Heterogeneous according to this paper. 1 of the elites apparently was R1a(assuming balto-slavic branch) of East European origin. Otherwise it would have stated Central Asian Z93.
    They had some heterogeneity, but almost all belonging to the East-Central Asian region:

    "The paternal genetic data of the studied Avar group is very homogeneous compared to the maternal gene pool, and is mostly composed of N-Tat haplotypes, which uniquely occur in the Danube-Tisza Interfluve. N-Tat haplotype II could signalize shared common genetic history of the Avars with ancestors of Mongolians and Uralic populations. Based on the Y-STR and SNP results we conclude that most Avar N-Tat chromosomes probably originated from a common source population of people living in Southern Siberia and Mongolia.

    The maternal gene pool of the investigated Avar elite group is more complex, it contains both Western and Eastern Eurasian elements; nevertheless, Eastern Eurasian maternal lineages dominate the diverse spectrum in 69.5%. Only loose connections are detectable between the Avar elite and the available mtDNA data of ancient populations in Eurasia, with the highest affinities to Central and East-Central Asian ancient populations."

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    I read in another paper that 80k Avar graves have been dug so far in Hungary. It's certain these are only culturally Avar, but genetically heterogeneous.

    In Romania less than a thousand Avar graves have been discovered, and they are different from those found in Pannonia. These Avars were burried with horses and lances (instead of bows) so it's quite certain most are Gepid vassals to the Avars, converted to the latter culture.

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    "The majority of the mitochondrial DNA variability represents Asian haplogroups (C, D, F, M, R, Y and Z). The Y-STR variability of the analysed elite males belongs only to five lineages, three N-Tat with mostly Asian parallels and two Q haplotypes."

    Our nationalists will be angry at these results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    I read in another paper that 80k Avar graves have been dug so far in Hungary. It's certain these are only culturally Avar, but genetically heterogeneous.

    In Romania less than a thousand Avar graves have been discovered, and they are different from those found in Pannonia. These Avars were burried with horses and lances (instead of bows) so it's quite certain most are Gepid vassals to the Avars, converted to the latter culture.
    The Avars clearly were a warrior nomadic people that conquered large parts of the Carpathian Basin and its inhabitants. Based on this study their elite even after 1 century have preserved their mostly East-Central Asian genes, meaning they barely mixed with the local population in this phase. Later on Avars definitely became assimilated by the locals, as proven by the mostly Western Eurasian genes of the Late Avars.

    "Few ancient DNA studies have focused on the Avars, and these studies analysed only the control region of the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). One research focused on a 7th-9th century Avar group from the south-eastern part of the Great Hungarian Plain (Alföld) of the Carpathian Basin. Their maternal gene pool showed predominantly Southern- and Eastern-European composition, with Asian elements presenting only 15.3% of the variation. Another recent study of a mixed population of the Avar Qaganate from the 8th-9th centuries from present-day Slovakia showed a miscellaneous Eurasian mtDNA character too, with a lower frequency (6.52%) of East Eurasian elements."

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    They were either Rouran or Hephtalites.

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    Russian researcher Igor Kolomiytsev suggested that the Ancestral home of the Slavs was in the Avar Khaganate. I argued about it on the forum https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...egion.1132157/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    The Avars clearly were a warrior nomadic people that conquered large parts of the Carpathian Basin and its inhabitants. Based on this study their elite even after 1 century have preserved their mostly East-Central Asian genes, meaning they barely mixed with the local population in this phase. Later on Avars definitely became assimilated by the locals, as proven by the mostly Western Eurasian genes of the Late Avars.

    "Few ancient DNA studies have focused on the Avars, and these studies analysed only the control region of the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). One research focused on a 7th-9th century Avar group from the south-eastern part of the Great Hungarian Plain (Alföld) of the Carpathian Basin. Their maternal gene pool showed predominantly Southern- and Eastern-European composition, with Asian elements presenting only 15.3% of the variation. Another recent study of a mixed population of the Avar Qaganate from the 8th-9th centuries from present-day Slovakia showed a miscellaneous Eurasian mtDNA character too, with a lower frequency (6.52%) of East Eurasian elements."
    It explains why some Hungarians exhibit vague Asian features. Especially if some ancestors were pred. Mongoloid.

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    They were Buryat like genetically if I am not mistaken, very east Siberian. However they did assimilate some Slavs later, as we know with Szolad Avar samples that were pure Slavic (rich culturally Avar burials) .Though this does destroy idea Avars brought Hungarian language in Carpathian Basin indeed.

    Conquerors were far less mongoloid than Avars (around 30% iirc while Avars were almost completely)

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