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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    Con algo tan poco específico como como M 417, no se puede saber gran cosa.Pero sí es cierto que suelo dar más alto y con más frecuencia resultados de zonas europeas relacionados con r1a que asiáticos. Pero vete a saber...

    Yo creo que es más reciente que lo que comentáis, de alrededor del finales del siglo XVIII. Al menos es lo primero que pensé, lo comenté mil veces, las Nuevas Poblaciones de Andalucía y Sierra Morena, los colonos centroeuropeos de Pablo de Olavide y Johann Kaspar Thürriegel.Había polacos, alemanes de Sajonia, Sorbios, Checos y Húngaros, aparte de Holandeses o Belgas, cualquiera de ellos podría haber traído el r1a.

    Otra posible explicación sería que tuviera antepasados pasiegos.

    O un soldado polaco de las tropas de Napoleón, cerca de donde es mi familia paterna tuvo lugar la batalla de Bailén.

    Vete a saber, igual no es ninguna de estas posibilidades.
    Hay mucho mito con lo de las repoblaciones de Jaén. Parece ser que la mayoría murieron durante el siguiente siglo: por hambrunas y mala aclimatación a la zona. También tu R1a podría venir de los vándalos. Sí, ya sé que la mayoría se iría al norte de Africa, pero seguramente unos cuantos miles de quedarían y se multiplicarían. Aunque por lo que he leído es cierto que los musulmanes de Al-Andalus tuvieron tanto esclavos de Europa del Este (incluso polacos) como más adelante estos mismos europeos del Este convertidos al islam luchando mano a mano con los moros.

    Quote Originally Posted by Defcon2 View Post
    Cierto es, pero las ciudades no son más que gente de pueblo amontonada en un mismo lugar (duras palabras). He indagado en mis parientes por parte de abuelo y son casi todos de pueblo.
    Al revés, en los pueblos es donde se mantiene la homogeneidad de los antepasados (la gente se casó durante muchos siglos con la gente del pueblo como mucho con los 3-4 pueblos a menos de 10 kms. En las ciudades se mezclarían ya gentes de lugares diversos (aunque fueran de la misma provincia), y tb dependiendo de las zonas pues tendrían en su momento judíos, moros, fenicios, romanos, gitanos, etc. Es decir, las ciudades son el peor lugar para identificar a la gente de una zona. Es decir, en las ciudades no solo hubo mezcla interna de toda la variabilidad de la provincia sino que es donde se asentaron todas las etnias que acabo de decir.

    Por ejemplo, hay algo particular en los invasores germánicos (suevos, visigodos) y es que estos hicieron mucha más vida rural. Salvo los visigodos de 2-3 ciudades importantes (Toledo por ejmplo), la inmensa mayoría habitó en zonas muy rurales y se dedicaron a la ganadería y agricultura. Baste con ver que durante siglos vivieron en Tierra de Campos (antiguamente llamada Campos Góticos). Sería bueno que se hicieran análisis de halogrupos a los pueblos de Tierra de Campos, seguro que sale un 20-30% de halogrupos germánicos.

    A los guiris y a los que venden España como un país meramente mediterráneo les jodería bastante tener que poner varios círculos en los mapas de Eupedia con un 20-30% de halogrupos I o R1b germánico. Estoy convencido de que es así. Hasta hay un pueblo que fue fundado por visigodos: Wamba. A saber qué porcentaje saldría ahí. No son pueblos que recibieran emigración de otros lugares, aunque ellos sí emigrarían, pero los que estén darían resultados llamativos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gota_type_ View Post
    Hay mucho mito con lo de las repoblaciones de Jaén. Parece ser que la mayoría murieron durante el siguiente siglo: por hambrunas y mala aclimatación a la zona. También tu R1a podría venir de los vándalos. Sí, ya sé que la mayoría se iría al norte de Africa, pero seguramente unos cuantos miles de quedarían y se multiplicarían. Aunque por lo que he leído es cierto que los musulmanes de Al-Andalus tuvieron tanto esclavos de Europa del Este (incluso polacos) como más adelante estos mismos europeos del Este convertidos al islam luchando mano a mano con los moros.



    Al revés, en los pueblos es donde se mantiene la homogeneidad de los antepasados (la gente se casó durante muchos siglos con la gente del pueblo como mucho con los 3-4 pueblos a menos de 10 kms. En las ciudades se mezclarían ya gentes de lugares diversos (aunque fueran de la misma provincia), y tb dependiendo de las zonas pues tendrían en su momento judíos, moros, fenicios, romanos, gitanos, etc. Es decir, las ciudades son el peor lugar para identificar a la gente de una zona. Es decir, en las ciudades no solo hubo mezcla interna de toda la variabilidad de la provincia sino que es donde se asentaron todas las etnias que acabo de decir.

    Por ejemplo, hay algo particular en los invasores germánicos (suevos, visigodos) y es que estos hicieron mucha más vida rural. Salvo los visigodos de 2-3 ciudades importantes (Toledo por ejmplo), la inmensa mayoría habitó en zonas muy rurales y se dedicaron a la ganadería y agricultura. Baste con ver que durante siglos vivieron en Tierra de Campos (antiguamente llamada Campos Góticos). Sería bueno que se hicieran análisis de halogrupos a los pueblos de Tierra de Campos, seguro que sale un 20-30% de halogrupos germánicos.

    A los guiris y a los que venden España como un país meramente mediterráneo les jodería bastante tener que poner varios círculos en los mapas de Eupedia con un 20-30% de halogrupos I o R1b germánico. Estoy convencido de que es así. Hasta hay un pueblo que fue fundado por visigodos: Wamba. A saber qué porcentaje saldría ahí. No son pueblos que recibieran emigración de otros lugares, aunque ellos sí emigrarían, pero los que estén darían resultados llamativos.
    Solo decía que las ciudades están repletas de descendientes de pueblos, España fue hasta los años 50-60 básicamente rural y que es cuando se hizo la transición a la ciudad. Asentamientos visigodos están por todos lados, tampoco creo que haya duda con esto, volviendo como ejemplo a mis parientes hay un asentamiento de estos en el pueblo de mi abuelete.

    Este foro competiría duro en el certamen sobre "lugares más racistas en la web", si inventan o niegan algo para perjudicar a otras personas/naciones no sorprenderse.
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    Moro:MAR_Taforalt:TAF010,-0.193499,0.083273,-0.03017,-0.088502,0.034776,-0.055499,-0.076378,0.019384,0.163619,0.008565,0.02111,-0.030573,0.07879,-0.046104,0.077496,-0.046141,-0.00665,-0.069805,-0.144176,0.036518,-0.042924,-0.129217,0.07629,-0.015303,0.018322
    Moro:MAR_Taforalt:TAF011,-0.194638,0.085304,-0.021873,-0.088825,0.026774,-0.059961,-0.072148,0.019845,0.161165,0.002551,0.016564,-0.035818,0.080574,-0.051196,0.066367,-0.037523,0.012126,-0.071199,-0.14493,0.035767,-0.041427,-0.12662,0.068279,-0.011447,0.018441
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico View Post
    Code:
    Southeastern_European:Greek_Peloponnese,0.118376,0.1438667,0.0037713,-0.0325153,0.0159003,-0.010412,0.001645,-0.000923,-0.000409,0.018102,0.000108,0.0039467,-0.0058967,0.0037157,-0.016377,0.0023863,0.0134297,0.0003377,0.009176,-0.0007083,-0.0092753,0.003998,0.0013967,-0.0001203,-0.0033927
    Baltic:Estonian,0.1329454,0.1141455,0.087756,0.0833017,0.0427771,0.0297575,0.0113745,0.0144457,0.0004091,-0.028447,6.5e-05,-0.0123489,0.0194597,0.0213591,-0.0066639,0.0017104,0.0002216,-0.0024832,0.0013451,0.0022137,0.001385,-0.0018672,0.0042644,0.0007471,0.0030535
    Scandinavian:Swedish,0.1340007,0.1283722,0.0715329,0.0557909,0.0414202,0.0213225,0.006847,0.0089682,0.0046947,-0.0067261,-0.004451,0.001635,-0.0048315,-0.0036907,0.0150773,0.0039838,-0.0074379,0.002004,0.003851,0.0046385,0.0064205,0.0021357,0.0009244,0.0106969,-0.0002994
    Northwestern_African:Berber_MAR_TIZ,-0.1025221,0.131656,-0.0023166,-0.0759511,0.0310606,-0.0356582,-0.0335058,0.012016,0.0766524,0.0315659,0.0088154,-0.0092596,0.0247308,-0.0204174,0.0203483,-0.0157212,0.0001119,-0.0288305,-0.0534217,0.0119165,-0.0208205,-0.0511129,0.0307414,-0.0051899,0.0074671
    Iberian:Spanish_Extremadura,0.1050967,0.1499597,0.033061,-0.0011843,0.0409303,-0.0027887,-0.003995,-0.0010003,0.024679,0.031223,-0.0012993,0.0050453,-0.0106047,-0.012248,0.007555,0.0026077,-0.002347,-0.003294,-0.0064107,0.000417,0.0021213,-0.00474,-0.0014787,-0.0027713,0.0014373
    Yoruban:Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
    Gambian:Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028,0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
    Eastern_African:Luhya_Kenya,-0.5978967,0.063688,0.0171859,0.007106,-1e-07,0.0058569,-0.0145036,0.0188894,0.0045287,-0.0215819,-0.0050573,0.015993,-0.0328754,0.0011991,-0.0304013,0.0267264,-0.0180303,-0.0024431,-0.009948,0.0047167,0.0016934,0.0001946,0.0034157,0.0039763,0.0006671
    Oceanian:Australian,-0.0421145,-0.235095,-0.213639,0.234499,0.1384875,-0.3402465,-0.0031725,0.0074995,-0.0082835,0.00082,-0.006171,0.001199,0.0008175,-0.002684,-0.0035285,-0.000133,0.0100395,0.002027,-0.0023885,0.0060655,0.003556,-0.000371,-0.0033895,0.0012655,-0.0045505
    Arabian:Saudi,0.0494498,0.1411588,-0.0646136,-0.1161014,-0.0115919,-0.0481242,-0.0133696,-0.008179,0.0516537,-0.0058923,0.016293,-0.0318551,0.063346,0.0021408,0.0031818,0.0271809,-0.0220493,0.0042931,-0.0003213,0.0302646,0.0130601,0.0168853,-0.0072031,0.0082741,-0.0097528
    Central_Asian:Tajik,0.0928895,0.013246,-0.0298254,0.0209107,-0.0438208,0.0167213,0.0048738,-0.000642,-0.0280643,-0.0221773,-0.0075193,0.000417,-0.0007433,-0.0081197,0.0114714,0.0104573,-0.0048413,-8.27e-05,0.0011095,-0.0082376,-0.0067489,-0.0024892,0.0013665,0.0017708,0.003405
    Eastern_European:Russian_Orel,0.1312217,0.1186719,0.0717069,0.0624774,0.0331489,0.0222316,0.0085273,0.0119994,-0.0049086,-0.0253049,-0.0012991,-0.0071936,0.0147176,0.0233369,-0.0120401,-0.0008146,0.0023841,-0.0019726,0.0030347,0.001483,-0.0045277,-0.0055643,0.0058277,-0.0053536,-0.001112
    San:Khomani_San,-0.6220435,0.060424,0.02093,0.030039,-0.0004615,0.000837,0.236773,-0.1823,0.0185095,0.0067425,0.00203,-0.053952,-0.0211845,0.005505,0.018797,-0.0212805,0.029662,0.2623085,-0.0877375,0.001751,-0.0331915,-0.002844,0.0038205,-0.0050005,0.0016765
    Levantine:Lebanese_Druze,0.0841153,0.1404478,-0.0496667,-0.070091,-0.0156642,-0.0251838,-0.0024205,-0.0053304,-0.0023112,0.0075992,0.0051477,-0.0030274,0.009083,0.0020232,-0.0068675,0.0061655,-0.0020861,0.0008361,0.0024761,-0.000913,-0.0013225,0.0019414,0.0002465,0.0025182,-0.0005866
    Italian:Italian_Lazio,0.1146768,0.1525832,0.006694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0.001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
    Northwestern_European:Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.0622654,0.0470426,0.039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051756,0.0035719,0.0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246,0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
    Caucasian:Karachay,0.106018,0.0823546,-0.0264343,-0.0168421,-0.0333394,-0.0014742,0.0076768,-0.0007582,-0.0480826,-0.0241159,-0.0048716,0.0067155,-0.016919,0.0010944,0.0044723,-0.0170724,0.0061218,-0.0039755,-0.0076437,0.0146201,0.0042188,0.001578,5.29e-05,-0.0065755,-0.0020242
    Western_European:French_Alsace,0.1273112,0.1403715,0.0503172,0.0224324,0.0384224,0.0089105,0.0029199,0.0048748,0.0068516,0.010679,-0.0031341,0.0045785,-0.0094438,-0.0041699,0.0085606,0.0030662,-0.0048927,0.0024387,0.003243,-0.000716,0.0027639,0.0011562,-0.0013219,0.0071364,-0.0003143
    Bantu:Bantu_S.W.,-0.6222873,0.0658643,0.018425,0.0160116,0.0006156,0.0075699,0.0014437,0.0089336,-0.0274354,0.0172863,0.0028534,-0.0046459,-0.0030369,0.001966,-0.0051573,0.004887,-0.0033901,0.0217903,-0.0106846,0.0037876,-0.0011764,0.0004591,0.0014964,0.0002411,-0.0005471
    Northeastern_African:Berber_Tunisia_Sen,-0.0391015,0.1347667,-0.0189668,-0.0779,0.0188088,-0.0355667,-0.0216624,0.005864,0.0576878,0.0205605,0.0056455,-0.0122362,0.0263216,-0.009407,0.0124783,-0.0050072,-0.0056909,-0.0131682,-0.0303375,0.0115203,-0.0085143,-0.0241851,0.0149999,-4.95e-05,0.0005494
    Central_European:Hungarian,0.1270753,0.1296252,0.0553559,0.0364298,0.0363804,0.0119326,0.0066138,0.0075326,0.0020597,-0.0046731,-0.0014731,-0.0027191,0.0038544,0.0087488,-0.0043722,0.0001231,-8.4e-05,-0.0003891,0.0026486,-0.0013221,-0.003378,0.0013865,0.0055286,0.0026939,0.0004789
    North_American:Amerindian_North,0.0529278,-0.328016,0.1120048,0.0774392,-0.1061738,-0.0184068,-0.1983488,-0.2347978,-0.0037325,-0.020137,0.0082817,-0.0034098,0.0063925,6.87e-05,-0.0151328,-0.004508,-0.0005215,0.0032622,0.0115015,0.0073472,0.0038682,-0.0107578,0.0027115,0.0062055,0.0092805
    South_American:Bolivian_Pando,0.0534967,-0.2626833,0.1107477,0.0837647,-0.0965307,-0.013294,-0.2671287,-0.3237557,-0.011658,-0.007411,-0.0049797,-0.0005493,-0.000545,0.0232123,-0.007465,-0.0001327,-4.37e-05,0.0029563,4.2e-05,0.0016673,-0.001414,0.0042453,-0.0006983,0.001245,-0.001357
    Central_American:Mayan,0.056749,-0.2949387,0.1107659,0.0902554,-0.1048547,-0.0156974,-0.2758356,-0.3286347,-0.0140829,-0.0160369,-0.0017167,-0.0010061,0.001083,0.0199947,-0.008783,0.0037504,0.0079163,-0.0009773,-0.0013466,-0.0019474,-0.0026024,0.0056176,0.0010037,3.44e-05,0.0003594
    South_Asian:Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh,0.064737,-0.0336392,-0.1301538,0.1126068,-0.0731289,0.0650512,0.0003525,0.0089997,0.0287868,0.0123239,-0.0062315,0.0016672,-0.0046456,-0.0012385,0.008805,-0.0048561,-0.0096485,0.0011716,-0.0023569,-0.010974,-0.00078,0.0001081,0.0026806,0.0032082,-0.0081579
    Eastern_Asian:Japanese,0.0229543,-0.445479,0.0130733,-0.059109,0.0362118,0.0093428,0.003525,0.0005768,-0.0065105,0.0106607,-0.0740492,-0.0074685,0.011546,-0.0070647,-0.0110612,-0.004464,0.0003042,0.0035895,0.001676,-0.0092547,0.0270355,-0.01659,0.0049093,0.003374,-0.0419723
    Northeastern_Asian:Koryak,0.0434804,-0.3881356,0.1195474,0.0124678,-0.1187914,-0.0543836,-0.0293296,-0.0282912,0.0087944,-0.0018954,0.0401424,-0.0001498,-0.0014568,-0.0191846,-0.0286642,-0.0182442,-0.0027644,0.0166468,0.038338,0.0220604,0.0364858,-0.0595264,0.009515,0.0217138,0.0328354
    Han:Han_Sichuan,0.0198376,-0.4481384,-0.0072191,-0.0669994,0.0771573,0.0334269,0.0019807,-0.0053403,-0.0132647,0.0003644,-0.0533564,-0.0100197,0.0100026,-0.0074121,-0.0077361,-0.0008144,0.0011921,-0.0007057,-0.003717,-0.0058243,0.0112301,0.0063063,0.0116909,0.0002239,0.0024806
    Target: Alejandro_scaled
    Distance: 2.2716% / 0.02271648
    52.4 Iberian
    29.2 Southeastern_European
    9.6 Scandinavian
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    2.4 Baltic

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    Target: Pedro_scaled
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    19.6 Northwestern_European
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    Distance: 2.2782% / 0.02278187 | ADC: 0.25x
    69.8 Iberian:Spanish_Extremadura
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    9.2 Northwestern_European:Scottish
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    Target: Pedro_scaled
    Distance: 0.6354% / 0.00635357
    54.2% Iberia
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    12.4% North Africa (Tunisian Berber)
    8.6% Italia (Lazio)
    2.4% West Africa (Gambian)
    0.8% South America (Amerindian Caribe)

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