Genética de españoles e hispanoamericanos

[gixajo]

Dios, y ahora me funciona bien...

No puedo con mi vida.

hasta luego!!!

[Defcon2]

Dios, y ahora me funciona bien...

No puedo con mi vida.

hasta luego!!!

Tómate la vida con más calma hombre, está para disfrutarla. Jaja.

[Rocinante]

Soy una genetica extraña jejeje aunque yo creo que mis ancestros son bastante antiguos en la peninsula en realidad, para mi ancestros me sale bastante orientado a los vascos, cuando publicaba alguna foto mía por el foro había varios extranjeros que decían que no lucia español o el era el que menos lucia de iberico de los foreros peninsulares en el sentido que mis rasgos no eran del sur de Europa, creo que les resultaba extraño esa combinacion de pelo super oscuro y piel muy clara con complexión robusta.

Al parecer es un patron comun que el mas vasco, o mientras mas cerca se este del pueblo vasco, el cabello sera mas oscuro debido a no tener tanta sangra indo-europea en comparacion al resto de los peninsulares, sobretodo a los gallegos y pueblos catalanes, aunque no necesariamente esto es algo muy certero la verdad. Lo cierto tio es que tienes un haplogrupo muy interesante y mi contenta que gente de la peninsula no me vengan con un R1b, hay que pensar que darle importancia a los haplogrupos paternos iberos tambien, el tuyo es uno sin lugar a dudas, un ibero que vio llegar a esos pueblos indo-europeos.

A ver, tenéis de referencia lo que posteé yo, según eso solo hay un sample dudoso, que mire su método y se oriente con lo que hice yo, salvo que vea muchas incongruencias.

Dos métodos a la vez, mejor que uno, y ahora estamos tres para opinar, mejor que uno solo, aunque la decisión de tomar Galicia y Andalucía como referencias norte y sur fue consensuada con Damiao.

A ver, yo la verdad es que les perdi el hilo hace tiempo (ya Juan ni me mete en los graficos el malvado...) y no hablaba de las muestras que estabas haciendo, que estan chulas por cierto.

No sé cuánto componente escandinavo cazador recolector tendremos los españoles (risas) pero el WHG nos sirve a los españoles para saber nuestro grado de similitud con los europeos del norte, como se ve aquí e imagino que el cálculo se las arreglará para sumar el WSH en estepa o bien en WHG:

Que modelo estas usando? Estan sacando un elevado WHG+STEPPE, deberiamos estar los average por el 39~41, ya menos o mas de eso es raro, pero aparte de eso, echemos un vistazo a los peaking en WHG y WSH desde mi ultimo modelo:

WHG:

Valor, Poblacion, Distancia
18 Basque_Spanish 0.04918058
17.6 Basque_French 0.04960020
16 Spanish_Pais_Vasco 0.05169170
15.2 French_South 0.03949679
14.8 Spanish_La_Rioja 0.02962532
14.6 Icelandic 0.05001905
13.8 Spanish_Soria 0.03857036
13.4 Orcadian 0.04659788
13 English 0.04751781
13 Welsh 0.04526161
13 English_Cornwall 0.05021529
13 French_Pas-de-Calais 0.03580229

WSH:

Valor, Poblacion, Distancia
51.6 Shetlandic 0.05162067
51.4 Icelandic 0.05001905
50.6 Irish 0.04957547
50 Dutch 0.04526739
49.8 Scottish 0.04777770
49.4 Orcadian 0.04659788
49 Danish 0.05215659

Sin lugar a dudas el componente norteño es el indo-europeo, ya que este hace peakings es en el Norte de Europa, las siguientes 20 poblaciones siguientes del WSH son del Norte de Europa, incluso los Tajiks y Tataros estan por encima de cualquiera del Sur, confirmando que este componente es unicamente europeo y no importa si esto lo hay regado por el mundo, al final que el Farmer.

A diferencia del WHG, las poblaciones van apareciendo desde lo mas punta de Occidente de Europa, comenzando por los vascos, hacia el Sureste donde literal este componente no existe o esta extinto, ya veo el porque yo tengo menos WHG que el promedio peninsular, es por eso porque mi lado italiano o tenia muy poco o sencillamente no tenia. Por lo tanto, si es un componente mas norteño que sureño, eso seguro, pero seria mas correcto decir que es un componente totalmente occidental, valido decir tambien que es un componente noroccidental.

Destacar una cosa, en los modelos, cuando salga de los españoles y se vayan mas al Este, usen el EHG y el SHG, ya que el WHG en el este en realidad se consigue a raja tabla.

¿Qué es WSH? Pensé que era WHG

Es que son 2 cosas diferentes, WHG son los cazadores-recolectores y WSH (Western Steppe Herder) son los esteparios o indo-europeos.

[Luso]

It correctly predicted me as Southern Portuguese

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[Luso]

These samples got it correct that I am southern Portuguese:

[Ruderico]

A ver, no sabemos de donde son las muestras y solo hay 25 individuos,

Eu já vi pessoas da mesma zona terem resultados bastante diferentes (o K7 do outro post mostra o mesmo), a variação em Portugal é mais pessoal que norte/sul. As amostras EBC são de um estudo sobre a Sardenha ou Córsega e foram doadas pela Faculdade de Medicina da Universidade do Porto, provavelmente são todas do Norte. Mas o exercício parte de uma premissa que não é verdadeira (norte != sul), logo o resultado não tem significado estatisticamente.

[gixajo]

Tómate la vida con más calma hombre, está para disfrutarla. Jaja.

Es fácil decir eso cuando uno no sufre de ataques de catabase error y time out error creados en el infierno, y es incapaz de responder a nada de lo que decías hasta horas después.

[gixajo]

As amostras EBC são de um estudo sobre a Sardenha ou Córsega e foram doadas pela Faculdade de Medicina da Universidade do Porto, provavelmente são do Norte. Mas o exercício parte de uma premissa que não é verdadeira (norte != sul), logo o resultado não tem significado estatisticamente.

Amigo, te acabas de quedar calvo detrás de las orejas con esa bonita frase, te puedo asegurar que pensé que me darían un premio por esta gran idea, que amablemente hubiera compartido con tu paisano.

A ver, valor estadístico tienen, aunque sea solo como ejercicio técnico y como prueba de originalidad, otra cosa es que tenga el valor de separar los habitantes del Norte y del Sur de Portugal.

Aunque partimos de una base bastante poco representativa de Portugal, que es una muestra de 25 refrencias, y encima al parecer, con casi la mitad de ellas que forma parte de otro estudio paralelo.

De todas formas me hace gracia, que nadie ha hecho absolutamente nada con estas coordenadas, y para cuando alguien intenta ayudar haciendo algo con ellas, lo único que ha recibido es una colaboración , a priori, y todo lo demás, críticas, a posteriori.

Esto es algo, como siempre improvisado, y parte de una premisa, que no sabemos si es cierta o falsa, más bien de que sea falsa.

Y que si fuera falsa, no creo que sea tan descabellada.

De todas formas, ahí queda eso, son muestras portuguesas, son vuestras, guardadlas por si acaso.

[Defcon2]

Que modelo estas usando? Estan sacando un elevado WHG+STEPPE, deberiamos estar los average por el 39~41, ya menos o mas de eso es raro, pero aparte de eso, echemos un vistazo a los peaking en WHG y WSH desde mi ultimo modelo:

Es uno básico para españoles pero se le puede añadir un par de cosas pero no demasiada morralla para no comerse porcentaje.

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Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0745,0.118376,0.178733,-0.002263,-0.098838,0.049548,-0.046575,-0.010105,-0.002538,0.036814,0.075628,0.010068,0.014237,-0.017542,0.00812,-0.035966,-0.020949,0.005346,0.006334,0.020489,-0.014382,-0.017095,0.008037,0.001356,-0.009278,-0.004191
Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0746,0.120652,0.180764,0.011691,-0.093024,0.048317,-0.043507,-0.012691,-0.010615,0.034565,0.078726,0.010393,0.009591,-0.023786,0.006606,-0.048316,-0.027844,0.005607,0.004054,0.012947,-0.017383,-0.013102,0.011005,-0.006532,-0.005543,-0.002036
Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1096,0.120652,0.184826,0.008297,-0.101745,0.051702,-0.044344,-0.005405,-0.003692,0.039473,0.0831,0.010718,0.017385,-0.02438,0.006331,-0.043702,-0.0179,0.025946,-0.00076,0.012821,-0.005878,-0.015722,0.00507,-0.005793,0.007832,-0.016406
Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1097,0.120652,0.18178,-0.001886,-0.106591,0.054472,-0.048527,-0.00611,-0.007615,0.038246,0.084922,0.008769,0.014687,-0.022894,0.000413,-0.048859,-0.006629,0.021383,0.003421,0.013952,-0.015257,-0.013975,0.005441,-0.011462,-0.009158,-0.002515
Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1098,0.114961,0.179749,-0.004148,-0.092701,0.040931,-0.045459,-0.001175,-0.010846,0.030883,0.068703,0.009743,0.007044,-0.019623,0.000688,-0.044381,-0.001326,0.032987,0.003294,0.006788,-0.001501,-0.01148,0.007914,0.007025,-0.002771,-0.00958
Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1099,0.111547,0.19092,0.001508,-0.0969,0.055395,-0.04518,0.003525,-0.010615,0.037223,0.077997,0.006171,0.01124,-0.020515,0.00289,-0.039902,-0.016309,0.021644,0.00266,0.013324,-0.007504,-0.003868,0.002844,0.002588,-0.003012,-0.006347
Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1100,0.112685,0.17264,-0.001131,-0.084949,0.049855,-0.054384,-0.00705,-0.002308,0.042132,0.088749,-0.003573,0.008692,-0.02557,-0.006881,-0.040173,-0.00769,0.031553,-0.00266,0.007793,-0.01063,-0.023708,-0.00136,0.003574,-0.003253,-0.001557
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Africa:Bantu_S.E.:KSP175,-0.629442,0.062963,0.023381,0.019057,-0.004616,0.008367,0.027731,-0.011999,-0.020043,0.012028,0.003897,-0.006894,-0.007284,-0.000275,-0.010993,0.005569,0,0.060557,-0.026899,0.003627,-0.00287,-0.003091,0.003451,0.000723,0.001796
Africa:Bantu_S.E.:KSP176,-0.631718,0.060932,0.020365,0.017765,-0.002462,0.012829,0.034077,-0.017307,-0.019839,0.013485,0.000812,-0.010191,-0.018137,0,-0.011808,0.009016,0.000652,0.05929,-0.024763,0.006628,-0.00287,-0.002102,0.001232,0.001084,0.000239
Africa:Bantu_S.E.:KSP177,-0.622612,0.062963,0.01697,0.015504,0.003693,0.009482,0.016686,-0.001385,-0.020248,0.012757,0.00406,-0.000749,-0.005946,0.003441,-0.00475,0.00716,-0.009127,0.048902,-0.016592,0.002001,-0.003494,0.002473,0.000616,0.001205,-0.001557
Africa:Bantu_S.E.:KSP178,-0.635133,0.064994,0.020365,0.019703,-0.00277,0.008088,0.038307,-0.021461,-0.02168,0.009841,0.002598,-0.015137,-0.012339,0.003165,-0.006922,0.001326,-0.000913,0.068158,-0.030042,0.002501,-0.001123,-0.000989,0.002588,0.006507,0.002275
Africa:Bantu_S.E.:KSP179,-0.626027,0.062963,0.018856,0.01292,-0.001846,0.010877,0.019271,-0.004384,-0.02127,0.002734,0.001786,-0.003597,-0.014717,0,-0.015336,0.0118,-0.002086,0.044721,-0.019986,0.005127,-0.005241,-0.001978,-0.00037,0.003012,-0.002036
Africa:Bantu_S.E.:KSP180,-0.633995,0.066009,0.018102,0.02261,-0.002154,0.008925,0.041597,-0.021691,-0.01718,0.014032,0.002273,-0.009591,-0.014123,0.004266,-0.01045,0.009149,-0.005737,0.070439,-0.028031,0.00075,-0.005865,-0.002226,0.005669,-0.004579,-0.00455
Africa:Bantu_S.E.:KSP181,-0.626027,0.064994,0.019987,0.017442,-0.000615,0.010598,0.019741,-0.005538,-0.023725,0.013303,-0.001299,-0.011839,-0.010555,0.004954,-0.007736,0.003182,-0.012256,0.055616,-0.023757,0.003752,-0.000749,0,0.002218,-0.000361,-0.000958
Africa:Bantu_S.E.:KSP182,-0.628304,0.066009,0.020365,0.016796,0.000923,0.007251,0.035252,-0.014769,-0.027611,0.011845,0.00406,-0.003597,-0.006541,0.003165,-0.010315,0.006762,-0.01004,0.064231,-0.028156,0.003627,-0.008984,0.002473,0.000616,0.00253,0.005029
Africa:Bantu_S.E.:KSP183,-0.63058,0.061947,0.023381,0.018734,-0.000615,0.008646,0.031491,-0.018461,-0.02127,0.013121,0.003573,-0.008542,-0.01115,0.001927,-0.010043,0.003315,-0.007171,0.070946,-0.026019,0.003252,-0.006489,-0.003462,0.005053,-0.001084,-0.004191

[Defcon2]

Es fácil decir eso cuando uno no sufre de ataques de catabase error y time out error creados en el infierno, y es incapaz de responder a nada de lo que decías hasta horas después.

Cuando eso me pasa muy seguido cojo el móvil y puedo seguir navegando por el foro.