The women of Epirus

[catgeorge]

So I know an R1a and I1 African American. I guess their earliest ancestor was African. Anywho were talking autosomal. Not just ydna. Autosomal impact is much greater in northern Greeks.

His autosomals are there lol.. you people are in a perma delusion regarding Greek DNA made up fantasies.

[MagnusDark]

His autosomals are there lol.. you people are in a perma delusion regarding Greek DNA made up fantasies.

The only one who believes that are Greeks. Not a reliable source.

Why is having Slavic input such a nightmare for you? They're people too.

Doesnt mean Greeks are not Greeks. Never said anything like that. Denying slavic genetic impact on the other hand is an egregious lie.

Like the dude up top. I asked for G25 not some gedmatch stuff. He can post it. He just doesnt want to. Then he tries to link a study on peloponnesian Greeks when not only do they have some slavic admixture, but far less then northerners.

[catgeorge]

The only one who believes that are Greeks. Not a reliable source.

Why is having Slavic input such a nightmare for you? They're people too.

Doesnt mean Greeks are not Greeks. Never said anything like that. Denying slavic genetic impact on the other hand is an egregious lie.

Like the dude up top. I asked for G25 not some gedmatch stuff. He can post it. He just doesnt want to. Then he tries to link a study on peloponnesian Greeks when not only do they have some slavic admixture, but far less then northerners.

We do like that guy that had 1.2% East European - highest I have seen is 7% but generally doesn't go higher than 3%. Sorry to burst your delusions - but keep digging and find that mass slavic input...you will be looking forever. When I say that - Poland and Ukraine need to be in results with distances less than 10 --- hell I'll even accept a Croat with distances less than 10 - but you're not gonna find any.

[Epirus DNA]

The only one who believes that are Greeks. Not a reliable source.

Why is having Slavic input such a nightmare for you? They're people too.

Doesnt mean Greeks are not Greeks. Never said anything like that. Denying slavic genetic impact on the other hand is an egregious lie.

Like the dude up top. I asked for G25 not some gedmatch stuff. He can post it. He just doesnt want to. Then he tries to link a study on peloponnesian Greeks when not only do they have some slavic admixture, but far less then northerners.

I don't have G25. It only runs on Windows, not Mac.
I'll post any GedMatch Calculator you want.

Slavic Genetic Impact versus someone in my tree marrying a Vlach a few hundred years ago are two completely different things. Having a "Slavic Genetic Impact" is not a nightmare but it is by no means to the degree you claim on the general Greek population.

[MagnusDark]

I don't have G25. It only runs on Windows, not Mac.
I'll post any GedMatch Calculator you want.

Slavic Genetic Impact versus someone in my tree marrying a Vlach a few hundred years ago are two completely different things. Having a "Slavic Genetic Impact" is not a nightmare but it is by no means to the degree you claim on the general Greek population.

I never said it was the general population. I said it was for NORTHERN Greeks. There is a difference. It is what professional studies and papers have shown. The one you linked about Peloponnese says they have the LEAST of all Greeks. However, even they have anywhere between 0.2%(on the lower limit) up to 14.4% Slavic admixture(on the upper limit). Which means every where else on the mainland, the lower/upper limits of Slavic admixture are far higher. Yet you claim ZERO(being a northern Greek yourself).

You should get G25, its more accurate, and I think only like 10 dollars. You would have to email Davidski on Eurogenes I believe. Gedmatch suffers from calculator bias, so it is kind of dated compared to G25. It can either over estimate or even under estimate certain components. For instance my "Slavic" input on Gedmatch was usually only 0-5%. On G25 it is between 10-20(depending on the algorithm/samples used).

[userade]

I never said it was the general population. I said it was for NORTHERN Greeks. There is a difference. It is what professional studies and papers have shown. The one you linked about Peloponnese says they have the LEAST of all Greeks. However, even they have anywhere between 0.2%(on the lower limit) up to 14.4% Slavic admixture(on the upper limit). Which means every where else on the mainland, the lower/upper limits of Slavic admixture are far higher. Yet you claim ZERO(being a northern Greek yourself).

You should get G25, its more accurate, and I think only like 10 dollars. You would have to email Davidski on Eurogenes I believe. Gedmatch suffers from calculator bias, so it is kind of dated compared to G25. It can either over estimate or even under estimate certain components. For instance my "Slavic" input on Gedmatch was usually only 0-5%. On G25 it is between 10-20(depending on the algorithm/samples used).

Those results, though, refer to academic samples that were arduous in tracing genealogy, and concern people who are currently either really old and ready to pass away, or being quite isolated in their village, or both. Generation of X'ers and below, of 'locals', are almost in their entirety mixed with the Asia Minor/Thracian/Pontic Greeks that were relocated to Northern Greece with the Treaty of Lausanne.

So pretending that Greek Macedonia and Thrace plot like Bulgaria or the Republic of North Macedonia, based on a few 'pure' academic samples from G25, is just not grounded in reality anymore regarding such an intermingled population like the one found in Thessaloniki, Alexandroupoli, and the rest of the busy towns of the northern part of the country.

[catgeorge]

Majority of refugees to Macedonia came from East Thrace and Constantinople. Pontus next and then Smyrna with smaller exchanges i.e., 2000 people from places like Capaddocia.

Then we got an influx of migrants from Russian/Ukranian Greeks, Greek Georgians and North Epirots/Albanian mixes in the 90s But most people in Macedonia are Rumelians who are same people as Epiros, Thessaly and Central Greece.

[dududud]

Naples to the South + Sicily were part of Magna Grecia. They are basically of Hellenic Origin and their dialect still has Hellenic Influence. Parts of Sicily still speak a form of Greek to this very day. Does that mean that we are brothers? No. More like very distant cousins.

Central Italy is it's own world. They hate the Northerners and the Southerners

Northern Italians are basically Germans and they look down on Central Italy and the South.

Never mind the inner Italian garbage... the Greeks do not consider the Italians brothers.

And Sardinians?

[Faklon]

Italians are positively perceived in Greece and Italian occupation is quite forgotten, even in the North. Way more positively than Germans which in one hand doesn't make justice for these women, on the other hand if you ask villagers about Italians vis-à-vis Germans they would tell you that the first were way more respectful and less ruthless to the common folk.

[Dianatomia]

I never said it was the general population. I said it was for NORTHERN Greeks. There is a difference. It is what professional studies and papers have shown. The one you linked about Peloponnese says they have the LEAST of all Greeks. However, even they have anywhere between 0.2%(on the lower limit) up to 14.4% Slavic admixture(on the upper limit). Which means every where else on the mainland, the lower/upper limits of Slavic admixture are far higher. Yet you claim ZERO(being a northern Greek yourself).

You should get G25, its more accurate, and I think only like 10 dollars. You would have to email Davidski on Eurogenes I believe. Gedmatch suffers from calculator bias, so it is kind of dated compared to G25. It can either over estimate or even under estimate certain components. For instance my "Slavic" input on Gedmatch was usually only 0-5%. On G25 it is between 10-20(depending on the algorithm/samples used).

You make a false pressopusition. Peloponessians actually do not have less Slavic ancestry than other mainland Greeks aside from the Macedonians. There are actually less far less Slavic toponyms between Thessaly and Attica. Although it is hard to guess the genetic impact because many Slavs in Greece were deported to Anatolia by the Byzantine emperors. Their presense in Greece was short lived. Aside from Macedonia where the Slavic element remained.