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    The butterfly has come out of its chrysalis... we've come out of hibernation... and we're about to spread our wings and fly: https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/sta...30238647582722

    I don't like the sheer arrogance of Michel Barnier - the EU's chief negotiator with the UK. He's still trying to be a bully - and he still doesn't realise that the UK is now a sovereign nation that doesn't need to abide by EU laws anymore.

    I agree with an Italian Eurosceptic MEP who berated Barnier to his face in the EU parliament the other day as being the worst ever negotiator on behalf of the EU and exposed him or saying he sought to bully the English. https://twitter.com/RupertLowe10/sta...84426679570432

    Barnier, Dictator Verhofstadt (who rants and yells like a megalomaniac for each EU state to surrender their sovereignty to his EU Empire - puke! - but he's the best poster man for making more and more Europeans want to leave!) Empress Merkel, Von Der Lyon, Macron, Schulz, etc, need to get it through their pig-headed skulls that the UK no longer needs to abide by EU laws - or we're leaving on WTO terms.

    Polish Eurocat Tusk has changed his tune from a former obnoxious bully to the UK with his abusive language... previously sneering and telling Brexit voters that we'll 'have a special place in hell'.....who is now grovelling and like a very nervous-looking mouse towards the UK in recent interviews.

    Boris is now holding the cards since we drained the traitors from the swamp at the last election. The Eurocrats can no longer bully the UK - Bercow & co are now gone!

    The EU leaders can't think outside of their EU box and it's like they just don't get it! UK government ministers have made it clear to them over and over again;- we're an independent nation who won't be dragged down to having a level playing field with the EU - nor follow EU alignment or EU laws. We're free to control our own fishing waters, make our own laws, etc.

    Barnier has a nerve and immense cheek to demand for the UK to comply with EU standards and rules on the environment, etc, just to do a trade deal. It's caused a lot of disgust on social media as millions of UK people think we should have a clean-break Brexit/WTO after three years of constant insults, abuse, threats, and unreasonable demands from the Eurocratic dicators. Who the hell do they think they are???

    Ireland in particular needs to stop their abuse to the UK. Thousands of UK people have spoken out in disgust at the moronic Irish leader on social media, the Irish VP of the EU, and an abusive Irish MEP.

    There's popular growing campaigns to stop buying products from the EU and to Buy British products and support our farmers and fishermen, etc, with long lists of weblinks showing plenty of high quality skincare, beauty products, cosmetics, foods, wines, designer shoes and clothes, furniture, cars, etc, that are all made in the UK.

    https://madeingreatbritain.uk/

    https://makeitbritish.co.uk/top-ten/...beauty-brands/

    https://www.countryandtownhouse.co.u...beauty-brands/

    https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/bea...beauty-brands/

    https://www.you.co.uk/british-beauty-brands/

    https://www.vogue.co.uk/gallery/eigh...sh-beauty-buys

    https://www.glamour.com/gallery/brit...-to-know-about

    Ireland needs to be careful. If the verbal abuse towards the UK keeps coming and we walk away from talks, Ireland will have a disaster on its hands, especially if we close the Ireland-EU trade route via GB and impose tariffs on its goods and boycott them. It's in the Euro and there will be a knock-on effect.
    Boris mocked the EU demands during his recent great speech: 'The EU is treating the UK as if we were about to return to Dickension times and are about to send children back to cleaning chimneys... unless we submit to regulations from Brussels! No - the UK already has higher standards than the EU in many areas! We won't take cut-throat demands from Brussels - the same way we don't expect the EU to follow UK laws either in order to do a free trade deal.' Boris, during his great speech yesterday.

    Boris stated in his great speech that the UK already holds higher standards than many of the EU states on maternity leave, minimum wages, plastic reduction, etc. The UK isn't demanding the EU to comply with UK laws and meet our high standards if they want to do trade.



    The UK isn't demanding for France to hand over 80% of their vineyards and Germany to hand over 80% of their car industry to the UK - and pay us £39 bn for the privilege - in return for a free trade deal.

    So what gives the EU the right to demand 80% of UK fishing waters?!

    The French fishermen were previously throwing large stones and attacking Scottish and English fishermen in our own waters, and now there's reports showing that the French fishermen are afraid their fishing industries will be lost if they're kicked out of UK fishing waters - an industry worth over £900 million to the EU each year.

    The UK government is standing firm against the EU bullies. They've made it clear that we're a sovereign and independent nation now - and we're in control. Fish prices may increase across Europe as a result of the UK taking back our waters - and the UK government have made it clear that we will not abide by EU laws and rules, and there can be no alignment or treaties when it comes to trade deals.

    Conservative MP Michael Gove supports the UK taking back our fishing waters from the EU.

    The UK has a strong united majority Conservative government... and the EU (including Germany) is full of fragile coalition governments.

    The Sky news presenter however isn't on the side of supporting our fishermen and coastal communities. Mr. Gove makes it clear to her - 'We are in control!'



    It's all a last desperate attempt by the Eurocrats to try to hold the independent UK by the tail and as closely aligned with EU rules and laws as possible.

    They fear that a free UK will become a highly competitive nation, and cheekily demand a level playing field with the EU. I'm pleased our UK leader is taking a Thatcherite response and showing the British bulldog spirit and saying no to the EU's demands.

    "The EU still cannot comprehend that we have LEFT and are not answerable any more to their dictats, blackmail, and enforced ideology."
    "Regarding Gibraltar, we joined the club with Gibraltar as a UK territory and we will leave with it as a UK territory."
    (The popular vlogger in the video below is a staunch Brexiteer and a motorcyclist, who was twice elected as the Deputy Mayor of Shaftesbury in Dorset, and who served in the Royal Navy during the Falklands War.)


    Germany, France, and the Netherlands will have to pay a lot more in funding to the EU to cover for the large deficit when the UK stops paying large funding to the EU after December 2020 when the UK-EU transition period ends.

    Or severe funding cuts will be made to the central, southern, and eastern EU states.

    A brief explanation of the fallout between the UK and Ireland is explained in the video below by a Brexiteer. The Irish leader is a moron with a big mouth.... and a mere lapdog and puppet of his EU overlords.



    I have confidence that the U.K. will not only survive but will globally thrive as a free sovereign nation outside of the shackles and chains of the EU.

    https://twitter.com/OwenPaterson/sta...43018754646016

    https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/...42487238893568

    There's a positive feel-good factor in the air now the Brexit wars are over.

    It's the EU which is now on life-support and in survival mode.


    After the warm-up, Boris points out areas where the UK already excels above many EU states in terms of standards, and is resolutely determined that the independent and soveriegn UK won't take any orders or rules from the bureacratic (Eurocrat) EUSSR dictatorship.

    A great speech by polyglot, poet, historian, writer, and UK Prime Minister Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson!



    By December 2020 when the transition period ends and the UK no longer has to abide by EU laws and no longer pays over £1 bn per month to the EU in funding... the Brexit sagas will be over - and then as more austerity and cuts are placed on the protesting Europeans, a domino effect will happen with all the rise of Eurosceptic parties across Europe with a Nexit and Frexit and Grexit, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ♥ Lily ♥ View Post
    The butterfly has come out of its chrysalis... we've come out of hibernation... and we're about to spread our wings and fly: https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/sta...30238647582722

    I don't like the sheer arrogance of Michel Barnier - the EU's chief negotiator with the UK. He's still trying to be a bully - and he still doesn't realise that the UK is now a sovereign nation that doesn't need to abide by EU laws anymore.

    I agree with an Italian Eurosceptic MEP who berated Barnier to his face in the EU parliament the other day as being the worst ever negotiator on behalf of the EU and exposed him or saying he sought to bully the English. https://twitter.com/RupertLowe10/sta...84426679570432

    Barner, Dictator Verhofstadt (puke!) Merkel, Von Der Lyon, Macron, Schulz, etc, need to get it through their pig-headed skulls that the UK no longer needs to abide by EU laws - or we're leaving on WTO terms.

    The EU leaders can't think outside of their EU box and it's like they just don't get it! UK government ministers have made it clear to them over and over again;- we're an independent nation who won't have a level playing field with the EU - nor follow EU alignment or EU laws. We're free to control our own fishing waters, make our own laws, etc.

    Barnier has a nerve and immense cheek to demand for the UK to comply with EU standards and rules on the environment, etc, just to do a trade deal. It's caused a lot of disgust on social media as millions of UK people think we should have a clean-break Brexit/WTO after three years of constant insults, abuse, threats, and unreasonable demands from the Eurocrat dicators.

    Ireland in particular needs to stop their abuse to the UK. Thousands of UK people have spoken out in disgust at the moronic Irish leader on social media, the Irish VP of the EU, and an abusive Irish MEP. There's campaigns to buy British and support our farmers and fishermen, etc, with long lists of weblinks to high quality UK products.



    'As if the UK were about to send children back to clean chimneys - without regulations from Brussels! No - the UK already has higher standards than the EU in many areas! We won't take cut-throat demands from Brussels - the same way we don't expect the EU to follow UK laws in order to do a free trade deal.' Boris, during his great speech yesterday.

    Boris stated in his great speech that the UK already holds higher standards than many of the EU states on maternity leave, minimum wages, plastic reduction, etc. The UK isn't demanding the EU to comply with UK laws and meet our high standards if they want to do trade.



    The UK isn't demanding for France to hand over 80% of their vineyards and Germany to hand over 80% of their car industry to the UK - and pay us £39 bn for the privilege - in return for a free trade deal.

    So what gives the EU the right to demand 80% of UK fishing waters?!

    The UK government is standing firm against the EU bullies. They've made it clear that we're a sovereign and independent nation now - and we're in control. Fish prices may increase across Europe as a result of the UK taking back our waters - and the UK government have made it clear that we will not abide by EU laws and rules, and there can be no alignment or treaties when it comes to trade deals.

    Conservative MP Michael Gove supports the UK taking back our fishing waters from the EU.

    The UK has a strong united majority Conservative government... and the EU (including Germany) is full of fragile coalition governments.

    The Sky news presenter however isn't on the side of supporting our fishermen and coastal communities. Mr. Gove makes it clear to her - 'We are in control!'



    It's all a desperate attempt by the EU to try to keep the independent UK as closely aligned with EU rules as possible.

    They fear the free UK being a highly competitive nation and cheekily demand a level playing field. I'm pleased our UK leader is saying no to the EU's demands.

    "The EU still cannot comprehend that we have LEFT and are not answerable any more to their dictats, blackmail, and enforced ideology."

    "Regarding Gibraltar, we joined the club with Gibraltar as a UK territory and we will leave with it as a UK territory."

    (The popular vlogger in the video below is a staunch Brexiteer and a motorcyclist, who was twice elected as the Deputy Mayor of Shaftesbury in Dorset, and who served in the Royal Navy during the Falklands War.)


    Germany, France, and the Netherlands will have to pay a lot more in funding to the EU to cover for the large deficit when the UK stops paying large funding to the EU after December 2020 when the UK-EU transition period ends.

    Or severe funding cuts will be made to the central, southern, and eastern EU states.

    A brief explanation of the fallout between the UK and Ireland is explained in the video below by a Brexiteer. The Irish leader is a moron with a big mouth.



    I have confidence that the U.K. will not only survive but will globally thrive as a free sovereign nation outside of the shackles and chains of the EU.

    https://twitter.com/OwenPaterson/sta...43018754646016

    https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/...42487238893568

    There's a positive feel-good factor in the air now the Brexit wars are over.

    It's the EU which is now on life-support and in survival mode.


    After the warm-up, Boris points out areas where the UK excels above the EU, and is resolutely determined that the UK won't take any orders from the EU.

    Great speech!

    I think Italy is probably one of the more realistic EU members, the EU can stand to benefit from deregulated outside partners. The Italians could have an economic powerhouse if they got their stuff together and deregulated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    I think Italy is probably one of the more realistic EU members, the EU can stand to benefit from deregulated outside partners. The Italians could have an economic powerhouse if they got their stuff together and deregulated.
    They're under the control of the EUSSR.

    The Belgian megalomaniac and Eurocrat Guy Verhofstadt ranted in the EU parliament that he wants an EU army next! And now he's posting broken heart symbols next to the UK flag and making videos lamenting that he'll 'look after the UK star on the EU flag... for when you come back to us.' (Lol, we're never coming back to that prat - and we're more than just a star on his demonic flag.)



    He even came over to our island during the UK election campaign and demanded on podiums that we must vote for the Lib Dems (illiberal anti-demo-rats, lol)... that failed terribly for him too! He's absolutely obsessed with discussing the UK in the EU parliament and on social media - and won't peacefully leave us alone.

    He keeps pathetically lamenting over our departure from the EUSSR on social media and said that he'll 'keep a light on for all the pro European British people,' (bloody hell, we are pro Europe and pro European - we just hate the corrupt and anti-democratic EU - and thousands of UK people have said this - and he knows he's twisting words for his political agenda as he tries to make it look like we're anti-European for opposing his political dictatorship.)



    He keeps posting stupid and emotionally manipulative videos that falsely portrays the EU as some idyllic place - despite all the social-economic problems in many EU states, (it doesn't show all the riots and protests across Eurabia in his pro EU fantasy videos.)

    He keeps proudly declaring '#I am European!' (as if Norwegians, Icelanders, British, and Swiss people are not Europeans - simply for not wanting to be ruled by his undemocratic (and not just undemocratic - but totally anti-democratic!) EUSSR political dictatorship.)

    He doesn't really care about us.... he's just going to miss our money and fish.





    Large UK funding to the EUSSR will stop when the transition period ends in December 2020.

    Here he is (Guy Verhofstadt) in a short video clip (in the links below) inside the EU parliament yelling in English that each EU state must hand over all their powers and sovereignty to him and his unelected EUSSR presidents. He's also said in speeches that he wants an 'EU Empire' in his own words.

    The UK escaped his Eurabia dictatorship just in time!



    "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer!" ("One nation, one empire, one leader!")

    https://twitter.com/RPlasterk/status...88038325960705

    https://twitter.com/JaniceMod4/statu...58574755442690



    'Mein Europa - nicht deins.' ('My Europe - not yours!')

    And as for Empress Merkel (the second most powerful person in the world and the defacto leader of the EUSSR) - she always looks miserable anyway.
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    And this shows us that the EU are not our 'friends and allies'. The US and other nations around the globe have never made demands to the UK to annex Northern Ireland, hand over free access to our fishing waters, hand over the soveriegnty of Gibraltar (against the will of the Gibraltarians who wish to remain as a British sovereign territory,) submit to the laws and courts of another nation, etc - just to do a free trade deal.

    The UK isn't demanding for Spain to annex Catalonia and the Basque Country, France to hand over Brittany, Basque Country, and Corsica.... and 80% of their vineyards. Germany to hand over 50% of their car industry... and pay us £39 billion for the 'privilege' of such a 'deal'... and submit to UK standards (most EU states standards are below UK standards,) rules, regulations and laws in their nations... to do a free trade deal.

    Making a deal with the Eurocrats is like making a deal with the devil. These rats and snakes are not our friends. We're best turning to our friends and allies in the Anglosphere nations.

    If the Eurocrats keep making these demands and continue to disrespect the sovereignty of the U.K. and Gibraltar... then we're leaving them on WTO terms - and the EU has a £92 billion trade surplus with the UK. They had their chance for over three and a half years since the referendum to make a trade deal - and Michel Barnier and his Eurocrats blew it through using constant insults, threats, blackmail, and arrogant demands to be under their laws until the year 20xx, and to hand over an extortianate amount of money, land, and resources from the U.K. for a deal.
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    I think the Brexit is a lose-lose situation at any case and in any scenario and there is only one question to be learned in the near future, who will lose more - EU or UK.

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    Quite a shame, just like Nigel explained, Europe is to be loved, the EU and it’s complacent puppets are not. I love Ireland, early Irish history and culture is one of my favorite subjects, and yet modern Ireland moves away from its roots to cesspool...

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    Hopefully UK will loose much more, because they tried to blew an idea that has made Europe warfree, prosperous and democratic for 70 years. The alternative: the idea that you have to fuck up your neighbors to succeed has led to WW1 and WW2. Hope there is a hard Brexit and EU is miles better in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ioan assen View Post
    Hopefully UK will loose much more, because they tried to blew an idea that has made Europe warfree, prosperous and democratic for 70 years. The alternative: the idea that you have to fuck up your neighbors to succeed has led to WW1 and WW2. Hope there is a hard Brexit and EU is miles better in the end.
    'Loose' makes no sense;- I think you meant to say lose!

    And LOL at the rest.

    Millions of Brits want a clean-break/WTO - full hard Brexit and no BRINO. The EU however certainly doesn't want a hard Brexit - that's for sure!!! They've got a £92 billion trade surplus with the UK - and Ireland will go bust which will affect the rest of the EU as they're in the Eurozone.

    A lot of the EU states heavily depend on the UK as their biggest customer and importer. And the UK economy alone is worth more than 18 other EU states economies combined. The UK has a lot of trade deficits with the other EU states - we buy more from them than they buy from the UK. Our trade surpluses are mostly with nations outside of the EU. The US is currently our biggest importer - and we're now free to do even more trade with the US - and the rest of the globe.

    The EU won't be the world's largest single market without the UK. The UK is now free to do larger trade deals with the U.S, Canada, Australia, NZ, Brazil, Russia, Indian, China, Japan, etc.... and a free trade deal with the EU too - so long as they stop their blackmail and demands to hand over our sovereign fishing waters to the EU, create a level playing field with the EU (nope - the UK government have firmly said no way,) submit to EU rules and laws - nope - we're an independent nation with our own laws.

    Otherwise we're leaving them on WTO terms - and that will severely harm the EU more than the UK. We can survive without the EU - as we've got the world to freely trade with - so the EU is just an extra bonus to us to have in a free trade deal - but the EU needs UK customers to buy lots of German, Dutch, French, and Italian products - as they're all trapped in the single market and customs union.

    Tough sh*t though - the snakes, Eurocratic rats, and EU pig leaders brought this on them by being the worst ever negotiators in history. That's who they voted into power - so that's their problem.

    And the UK refuses to submit to the rules of having lower EU standards to the UK, refuses to extend the transition period (in order for the EU pigs to continue milking over £1bn per month in funding from the UK,) and we're tired of the obnoxious demands to hand over our fishing waters and soveriegn land to them in return for a deal..... and constant verbal abuse from the arrogant EUSSR pigs.

    The UK has the world to freely do more large trade deals with. The Eurocrats are a lot more restricted. The EU heavily depends on UK customers and buyers. The EU depends on UK fishing waters too - and fish prices could increase across Europe if the UK kicks out all the large EU fishing trawlers from our seas. Their thriving fishing industries will collapse in the EU - as 80% of their fishing is in UK waters.

    The EU wants large UK funding to the EU - but that will stop when the transition period ends - which the EU seeks to extend. The EU leaders pretend and moan that they don't have enough time to sort out a trade deal with the UK by December 2020 when the transition period ends - but they're now beginning to realise and accept that UK law states there will be no further extension for the EU beyond the 11 month deadline to agree to a free trade deal with the UK.

    The EU wants a level playing field with the UK. The UK government have made it clear that would defeat the purpose of our independence - so no way! Ireland depends on the UK as their trade route to the EU - and the UK can shut off their trade route or impose tariffs with a hard Brexit.

    The UK is saying no. And we won't lower our high standards to EU standards to do a trade deal. The UK has already taught the EU some of their standards. Many EU states don't have a minimum wage, don't have a long paid maternity leave like the UK has, and doesn't have the same plastic reduction rate as the UK.

    The UK is already binning EU digital laws which threatens free speech online, and World Wide Web inventor Sir Tim Berners Lee wants a digital Magna Carta to protect peoples rights when using his great invention online. We don't want social dumping standards from the EU - and we don't need the EU to lecture us on standards given how low the EU standards are.

    The EU doesn't have any top 25 university rankings in the world - the UK has several in the top 10. We're not demanding for the EU to submit to UK standards of allowing democatic referendums to be held in EU states such as the Netherlands (instead of banning referendums,) if they want to export their products to the UK. So Michel Barnier needs to stop demanding for the UK to submit to EU 'standards' and laws to do a trade deal. As a sovereign nation, we don't submit to EU laws - let alone their low standards. Nor do we need to be regulated from Brussels to create or own new standards as a sovereign nation.

    The UK isn't demanding the EU states to hand over 80% of their vineyards, olive groves, etc, to our control - in return for a free trade deal. So the UK won't allow the EU to demand control of UK sovereign fishing waters in return for a trade deal.

    Also we don't want Macron's low standards of police brutality severely blinding and maiming citizens, (Macron will be the next de facto leader of the EU when Merkel steps down,) and their firefighters and police brutally fighting with each other and setting fire to themselves in protests.

    Referendums are now banned altogether in the Netherlands. Previous referendums being ignored by anti-democratic EU dictators (they ignored the referendum results of Irish, French, and Dutch referendums - before they were banned altogether in the Netherlands.)

    The EU will need to cut their funding to the central, eastern, and southern EU states (which the poorer states won't like) after the UK stops giving large money in funding to the EU after December 2020 when the transition period ends - unless the Germans, Dutch, and French are squeezed to pay even more in funding to the EU due to the large deficit caused by Brexit.

    Germany is on the brink of a recession at the moment and won't want to pay even more in funding to the poorer EU states. Large protests and civil unrest can be seen on social media from nations across the EU against austerity, economic hardships, mass immigration, etc.

    Brexit will have a domino effect on the rest of the EU. There's a rise of popularity in Eurosceptic parties in the other EU states and massive protests happening in several large EU states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ♥ Lily ♥ View Post
    'Loose' makes no sense;- I think you meant to say lose!

    And LOL at the rest.

    Millions of Brits want a clean-break/WTO - full hard Brexit and no BRINO. The EU however certainly doesn't want a hard Brexit - that's for sure!!! They've got a £92 billion trade surplus with the UK - and Ireland will go bust which will affect the rest of the EU as they're in the Eurozone.

    A lot of the EU states heavily depend on the UK as their biggest customer and importer. And the UK economy alone is worth more than 18 other EU states economies combined. The UK has a lot of trade deficits with the other EU states - we buy more from them than they buy from the UK. Our trade surpluses are mostly with nations outside of the EU. The US is currently our biggest importer - and we're now free to do even more trade with the US - and the rest of the globe.

    The EU won't be the world's largest single market without the UK. The UK is now free to do larger trade deals with the U.S, Canada, Australia, NZ, Brazil, Russia, Indian, China, Japan, etc.... and a free trade deal with the EU too - so long as they stop their blackmail and demands to hand over our sovereign fishing waters to the EU, create a level playing field with the EU (nope - the UK government have firmly said no way,) submit to EU rules and laws - nope - we're an independent nation with our own laws.

    Otherwise we're leaving them on WTO terms - and that will severely harm the EU more than the UK. We can survive without the EU - as we've got the world to freely trade with - so the EU is just an extra bonus to us to have in a free trade deal - but the EU needs UK customers to buy lots of German, Dutch, French, and Italian products - as they're all trapped in the single market and customs union.

    Tough sh*t though - the snakes, Eurocratic rats, and EU pig leaders brought this on them by being the worst ever negotiators in history. That's who they voted into power - so that's their problem.

    And the UK refuses to submit to the rules of having lower EU standards to the UK, refuses to extend the transition period (in order for the EU pigs to continue milking over £1bn per month in funding from the UK,) and we're tired of the obnoxious demands to hand over our fishing waters and soveriegn land to them in return for a deal..... and constant verbal abuse from the arrogant EUSSR pigs.

    The UK has the world to freely do more large trade deals with. The Eurocrats are a lot more restricted. The EU heavily depends on UK customers and buyers. The EU depends on UK fishing waters too - and fish prices could increase across Europe if the UK kicks out all the large EU fishing trawlers from our seas. Their thriving fishing industries will collapse in the EU - as 80% of their fishing is in UK waters.

    The EU wants large UK funding to the EU - but that will stop when the transition period ends - which the EU seeks to extend. The EU leaders pretend and moan that they don't have enough time to sort out a trade deal with the UK by December 2020 when the transition period ends - but they're now beginning to realise and accept that UK law states there will be no further extension for the EU beyond the 11 month deadline to agree to a free trade deal with the UK.

    The EU wants a level playing field with the UK. The UK government have made it clear that would defeat the purpose of our independence - so no way! Ireland depends on the UK as their trade route to the EU - and the UK can shut off their trade route or impose tariffs with a hard Brexit.

    The UK is saying no. And we won't lower our high standards to EU standards to do a trade deal. The UK has already taught the EU some of their standards. Many EU states don't have a minimum wage, don't have a long paid maternity leave like the UK has, and doesn't have the same plastic reduction rate as the UK.

    The UK is already binning EU digital laws which threatens free speech online, and World Wide Web inventor Sir Tim Berners Lee wants a digital Magna Carta to protect peoples rights when using his great invention online. We don't want social dumping standards from the EU - and we don't need the EU to lecture us on standards given how low the EU standards are.

    The EU doesn't have any top 25 university rankings in the world - the UK has several in the top 10. We're not demanding for the EU to submit to UK standards of allowing democatic referendums to be held in EU states such as the Netherlands (instead of banning referendums,) if they want to export their products to the UK. So Michel Barnier needs to stop demanding for the UK to submit to EU 'standards' and laws to do a trade deal. As a sovereign nation, we don't submit to EU laws - let alone their low standards. Nor do we need to be regulated from Brussels to create or own new standards as a sovereign nation.

    The UK isn't demanding the EU states to hand over 80% of their vineyards, olive groves, etc, to our control - in return for a free trade deal. So the UK won't allow the EU to demand control of UK sovereign fishing waters in return for a trade deal.

    Also we don't want Macron's low standards of police brutality severely blinding and maiming citizens, (Macron will be the next de facto leader of the EU when Merkel steps down,) and their firefighters and police brutally fighting with each other and setting fire to themselves in protests.

    Referendums are now banned altogether in the Netherlands. Previous referendums being ignored by anti-democratic EU dictators (they ignored the referendum results of Irish, French, and Dutch referendums - before they were banned altogether in the Netherlands.)

    The EU will need to cut their funding to the central, eastern, and southern EU states (which the poorer states won't like) after the UK stops giving large money in funding to the EU after December 2020 when the transition period ends - unless the Germans, Dutch, and French are squeezed to pay even more in funding to the EU due to the large deficit caused by Brexit.

    Germany is on the brink of a recession at the moment and won't want to pay even more in funding to the poorer EU states. Large protests and civil unrest can be seen on social media from nations across the EU against austerity, economic hardships, mass immigration, etc.

    Brexit will have a domino effect on the rest of the EU. There's a rise of popularity in Eurosceptic parties in the other EU states and massive protests happening in several large EU states.
    Such a delusion of grandeur. Hopefully this crashes and burns really fast and in front of EU eyes. And the delusion that EU doesn't want a clear cut: hell yeah, cause the politicians in the EU have much more sense than the ridiculous clown Boris and his supporters (=Trumpsters)! EU knows it would harm both sides, but I am ok with a no deal. But it has to be the British who take the blame - they to be the sole reason no deal is made.
    As for your surplus: the EU is already making deals (and has been for decades) and among EU Member States, the United Kingdom was the largest importer of goods from India and Germany was the largest exporter of goods to India in 2018. So the surplus of EU would remain and would go Asia, not to UK.
    Don't cry for Ireland: it would be the direct beneficiary of Brexit. Most companies who want to trade with EU have moved from London to Dublin anyways and if the course of Boris continues: even more would move to Dublin. The same benefit awaits Frankfurt, Amsterdam and Paris.
    Seems like UK wants to stay in Ireland good graces: UK government officials were in Dublin this week for a series of meetings with the Department of Finance, the Central Bank and various business groups. Sources said UK officials were keen to stress that Brexit would not result in a more isolationist Britain https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...ndum-1.4164473
    You say "The UK is now free to do larger trade deals with the U.S, Canada, Australia, NZ, Brazil, Russia, Indian, China, Japan, etc...." like UK wasn't part of the EU and wasn't benefiting from the trade deals EU has negotiated. Actually UK has benefitted immensely: London was one of the financial capitals of EU. Good luck negotiating with those enormous states you mentioned. You will need it.
    As for the fisheries: "Despite financial services being valued at a reported nearly 170 times more and employing more than a million people compared to an estimated 8,000 people in fishing, fisheries was a totemic issue for campaigners wishing to leave the European Union." https://www.intrafish.com/fisheries/...ons/2-1-745794
    so in practice UK would loose much more if it doesn't grand access to its waters in exchange for access to the financial sector in EU. Not to mention that your own fishery sector relies on export to EU.
    As for your universities: much of them are full of EU citizens studying. End that or worsen the conditions for EU citizens to study there and I am really keen to see the effect of that.
    As for the richer states paying for cohesion: the poor states that have entered EU have steadily improved and got richer tnx to cohesion money and being part of the EU. Who do you think gets the money of those richer southern states? Germans, Dutch etc. The richer ones have their products bought and their economy growing. UK choose to not be part of that and should be cut off of the EU market.
    So in essence I think it would be better if there is a hard brexit: EU wont have access to your waters, but will have to the Irish one, not to mention all the Mediterranean waters, Portugal, Nordic waters etc. And you wont have access to the EU financial service sector. I think that's fair. The financial service industry must transfer from UK to EU. Its a much bigger industry with much more money and people. I think EU would do just fine with its own waters (or importing fish from other places). But London without its financial sector. Uou. It would be a interesting sight. So good luck.

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    Leave the UK do it's own thing - how dare these idiots dictate what could and could not be traded in an open market.
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