Linguistic map early rigvedic period -1700BC

[lameduck]

[TheOldNorth]

So both groups are not native to India

[tipirneni]

https://www.bibhudevmisra.com/2016/0...olisms-on.html

says Gonds still carry the Indus valley even today like culture. Some are saying they spread out during 1800 BC. But these people are H1 people mixed with O2 munda people from east. We have records of H1 people all over South Asia coast from 13k YBP from some studies on Kurumba tribals. These are probably vestiges from that era. In Pakistan due to lot of population upheaval every time there is invasion there are not any records like these tribal people still possessing older era like culture.

[tipirneni]

There is also a possibility of some Caucasus connection to Dravidian people. The ancient Pandya/Cola dynasties might have had some admixure with Caucasus people, so they probably took elements of Finno-Ugric languages in their old Tamil. This theory probably explains why some elements of Dravidian languages strongly resembles FInno-Ugric. Even Sumerian is though to take the elements of Finno-Ugric languages in similar fashion. This all probably occurred prior to the formation of PIE language in the Steppe during 7th to 4th millenium. Pakistan being at the place where there was heavy foreign influence during EBA and MLBA time these influences were probably lost.



Finno-Ugric languages
The ancestor of Finno-Ugric language called Proto-Uralic was spoken 7,000 to 10,000 years ago in the general area of the northern Ural Mountains Range.

Grammatical Similarities
There are some grammatical similarities between Finnish and South Indian languages. Both do not use prepositions at all. An example makes it clear. Note that Malayalam has its own alphabet, but we use Roman script here so that you can read it.

Finnish Malayalam Means

Helsingissä Helsinkiyil in Helsinki
Helsinkiin Helsinkiyilekku to Helsinki
Helsingistä Helsinkiyilninnu from Helsinki
Turkuunko? Turku-yileko? to Turku?
kirjan hinta Pusthaka-thinte Vila the price of the book
The use of suffixes is not the only similarity. In the case of noun + noun constructions, the qualifying name comes first in both languages forming a single compound word. Eg: In Finnish, brick(tiili)+ house(talo) = tiilitalo. In Malayalam brick(Ishtika) + house(Veedu) = Ishtikaveedu. On the other hand, in the case of noun+name construction, where noun indicates relationship, both languages follow the same pattern. Eg: Matti setä = uncle Matti. In Malayalam it would have been Matti maman = uncle Matti.

Some striking words
Some words are strikingly similar and have the same or close-to meaning. This can be quite accidental, until someone can prove otherwise. Also 'sata' (=100) in Finnish means the same in almost all Indian languages! But the source of this is obviously Sanskrit satam.

Malayalam means Finnish means

amma mother äiti mother
emä maa mother country
emä laiva mother ship
nalu four neljä four
vatti basket vati basin
puu flower puu tree
muusari foundryman muurari* mason
piri screw thread piiri circle
eei (colloq.) 'no' ei no
tuuli blow in wind tuuli wind
kudi(kudil) house koti house
kayyi, kai hand, arm käsi hand, arm
kol (kolluka) die, kill kuolla die, pass away
ulla, olla(thu) be, exist ole to be

* Can be pure coincidence? They did not use bricks at the
time of supposed contacts. Muurari comes from "muuri" which means "wall".
Whereas in Malayalam Musari comes from "Musa"(=mould). Though not exactly
same meaning, the formation of the final word follows a similar pattern.
Meeting Place : Central Asia or Ural Mountains?
If the original inhabitants of Ural mountains spoke a Proto-Uralic langauge, then it is older than any modern Indo-European langauge prevalent in Europe today (7,000 to 10,000 years). Migration from Ural Mountains happened towards North and Northern part of today Russia. But there is absolutely no evidence that Ural people ever moved towards east or southeast.

It is now widely accepted that Indus Valley Civilization was "non-Indo- European" and is generally classified as "Dravidian" or "native Indian". "It is a well-established and well-supported hypothesis that Dravidian speakers must have been spread throughout India, including the north-west region... Thus a form of proto-Dravidian, or perhaps Proto-North-Dravidian must have been extensive in north India before the advent of the Aryans." [Encyclopædia Britannica Vol 22, Page 716 1989 Edition].

"The circumstances of the advent of Dravidian speakers in India are shrouded in mystery. There are vague linguistic and cultural ties with the Urals and with the Mediterranean area". There is also speculation that original Dravidians were a mix of Mediterraneans and Armenoids who moved towards India in the 4th millenium BC. "Along their route, these immigrants may have possibly come into an intimate, prolonged contact with the Ural-altaic speakers, thus explaining the striking affinities between Dravidian and Ural-Altaic language groups."[Encyclopædia Britannica Vol 22, Page 716 1989 Edition]. During and after the fall of, Indus Valley Civilization (3000-1500 BC) there was fairly a constant movement of Dravidian speakers from the northwest to the southeast of India.

[Bandesha]

looks like jat dardic of Uttarakuru built modrn indian civilisation

[tipirneni]

looks like jat dardic of Uttarakuru built modrn indian civilisation

Jatts are very small section of society in whole of South India. Except Punjab they are not found outside. The Jatt people came later and joined the H1 Yadu/Kurmi like people and their culture in 6th Millenium. How could Jatts build whole thing, if they are small section of 1.5B people.

[Bandesha]

Jatts are very small section of society in whole of South India. Except Punjab they are not found outside. The Jatt people came later and joined the H1 Yadu/Kurmi like people and their culture in 6th Millenium. How could Jatts build whole thing, if they are small section of 1.5B people.

this looks fine work of some microsoft tech support program artist