Genetic of France

**Samnium** · 02-12-2020, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by Gaska

These are the percentages of West Med in Europe- Sardinia-51,87%, French Basque-35,86%, Southwest France-30,54%, Spanish-Aragón/Cantabria/Andalucia/Castilla/Valencia-29,79%, 29,27%, 29,07%, 28,52%, 27,72%, North Italian-25,76%, Portuguese-25,32%, France-19,50%, Bulgaria 17,91%, Romania, 17,09%, Serbia, 15,84%, Southewest England-15,10%

It seems a component linked to Anatolian Neolithic farmers and their percentages in the south of France and the French-Basque Country are higher than in Spain (except in the Spanish-Basque Country), then I think that an elevation of that component in northern France does not means having Spanish ancestors, I would think of Basque, Aquitans or Occitan ancestors better than Spanish soldiers. In the same way I do not think there are many Spanish descendants of Napoleon's soldiers, although you may be right and this could have happened

In any case, the percentages in Spain, France and Northern Italy are very similar. The same goes for East Med which is only strange or very high in Greece, Southern Italy, the Balkans-

Yes it's possible also for Southern French ancestors definitely. Especially after the Revolution, regional "borders" began to sink down and to be destroyed.

**~~dududud~~** · 02-12-2020, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Gaska

These are the percentages of West Med in Europe- Sardinia-51,87%, French Basque-35,86%, Southwest France-30,54%, Spanish-Aragón/Cantabria/Andalucia/Castilla/Valencia-29,79%, 29,27%, 29,07%, 28,52%, 27,72%, North Italian-25,76%, Portuguese-25,32%, France-19,50%, Bulgaria 17,91%, Romania, 17,09%, Serbia, 15,84%, Southewest England-15,10%

It seems a component linked to Anatolian Neolithic farmers and their percentages in the south of France and the French-Basque Country are higher than in Spain (except in the Spanish-Basque Country), then I think that an elevation of that component in northern France does not means having Spanish ancestors, I would think of Basque, Aquitans or Occitan ancestors better than Spanish soldiers. In the same way I do not think there are many Spanish descendants of Napoleon's soldiers, although you may be right and this could have happened

In any case, the percentages in Spain, France and Northern Italy are very similar. The same goes for East Med which is only strange or very high in Greece, Southern Italy, the Balkans-

For example, my father is modelized as 44% EEF and 42% Indo-european.

My mother is 66 EEF:
66.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
26.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.0 WHG

Without Neolithic levant, iran farmer, etc, it would seem

**Samnium** · 02-12-2020, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by dududud

For example, my father is modelized as 44% EEF and 42% Indo-european.

My mother is 66 EEF:
66.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
26.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.0 WHG

Without Neolithic levant, iran farmer, etc, it would seem

You added other components or just these three ?

**~~dududud~~** · 02-12-2020, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Samnium

You added other components or just these three ?

No.

Just these components:

Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0455292,0.0660095,-0.1518855,0.0026648,-0.1250232,0.0204982,0.0170972,-0.0017305,-0.0814005,-0.0579968,0.0004465,-0.001611,0.0072845,-0.0087735,0.0294512,0.0567152,-0.005248,0.0084882,0.007259,-0.037018,0.0075492,-0.0286258,-0.010322,-0.0404578,0.0265842
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.180641,0.120157,-0.097557,0.065539,0.0047,0.009461,0.035996,0.02678 9,-0.002273,0.003747,-0.005649,0.007982,0.003529,0.003182,0.008736,0.001 647,0.000126,-0.002001,0.001373,-0.008161,0.000246,-0.001928,-0.008023
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Levant_PPNB,0.0765462,0.163754,-0.0321495,-0.1368722,0.0360838,-0.0655392,-0.0129842,-0.014076,0.070254,0.0393175,0.0188778,-0.012551,0.0316648,0.001961,-0.027246,0.007657,0.0153525,-0.001267,-0.0038025,0.0192277,-0.0014352,0.0074502,0.000955,-0.0038258,-0.0047002
MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1259169,0.0887318,0.0428032,0 .1164425,-0.028236,0.045529,0.0036719,-0.002279,-0.0558095,-0.0715732,0.0009742,-0.0003934,-0.0019885,-0.025529,0.0362032,0.0160764,-0.0005869,-0.0012038,-0.0038966,0.0149446,-0.0022928,6.19e-05,0.0112925,0.0189332,-0.0039516
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

**Leto** · 02-12-2020, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by dududud

For example, my father is modelized as 44% EEF and 42% Indo-european.

My mother is 66 EEF:
66.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
26.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.0 WHG

Without Neolithic levant, iran farmer, etc, it would seem

Haha, just ran myself for fun

52.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
14.0 WHG
3.0 Nganassan
1.8 Han

The distance is big though, 6+.

How much Steppe is your father?

**~~Gaska~~** · 02-12-2020, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by dududud

For example, my father is modelized as 44% EEF and 42% Indo-european.

My mother is 66 EEF:
66.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
26.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.0 WHG

Without Neolithic levant, iran farmer, etc, it would seem

NAt WMed EMed Bal RSea NAfr SA SS SI WA EA O A
Basque K13- 52,72- 30,72- 5,76- 8,58- 0,31- 0,0- 0,0- 0,4.- 0,00- 0,54- 0,87- 0,00- 0,10-

French-Basq- 52,62- 35,86- 3,07- 6,10- 0,31- 0,20- 0,32- 0,04- 0,06- 0,35- 0,65- 0,30- 0,08

France- 42,60- 19,50- 10,33- 17,48- 2,82- 0,07- 1,08- 0,12- 0,27- 4,96- 0,15- 0,23- 0,38
Aragón-Spain- 43,83- 29,79- 12,05- 8,27- 2.37- 0,46- 0,40- 0,04- 0,50- 1,32- 0,25- 0,39- 0,32
N-Italia- 31,68- 25,76- 19,58- 11,93- 2,78- 0,04- 0,56- 0,03- 0,13- 6,90- 0,34- 0,21- 0,05
Greece - 16,86- 21,47- 29,25- 10,36- 5,03- 0,03- 0,29- 0,01- 0,14- 15,44- 0,24- 0,56- 0,32

The biggest difference between French and Spanish is that the French have more Baltic than us. The Greeks and North Italians have much more East Med and the Greeks much more red Sea-
North African is very small in all (in Spain it depends on the regions because in the Canary Islands it is high)
The Basques are much more North Atlantic and West Med and we have very little East Med-But in general, Western European countries are very similar genetically speaking

**~~dududud~~** · 02-12-2020, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Haha, just ran myself for fun

52.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
14.0 WHG
3.0 Nganassan
1.8 Han

The distance is big though, 6+.

How much Steppe is your father?

Distance: 5.7803% / 0.05780347
44.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
42.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.0 WHG

**Leto** · 02-12-2020, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by dududud

Distance: 5.7803% / 0.05780347
44.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
42.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.0 WHG

Pretty much like the study suggested.

**SharpFork** · 03-07-2020, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Dorian

Can any southern french be modelled with some Greek?even if minimal?

Using the samples from Global25 and modelling people from Provance(the only ones with Near Eastern ancestral components, a potential sign of Greek influence) as a mixture of other modern French people and Ancient Greeks gives us a Ancient Greek admixture of 1/3 to 0, although I really think Iberian or Italian descended Pied Noirs might be among the people sampled, otherwise I can't explain the stark difference. The average is 13.2%.

In any case if we just use Iran Neolothic I think the actual Greek adxmiture would have been at most 5-10% if it really even exists to this day and if Greeks were the only contributing factor to the Near Eastern DNA, as opposed to Corsicans and Italians or even MENA people during the Roman period, overall at least using modern sample the Greek contribution seems hard to even prove given how few samples have Near Eastern ancestry at all AFAIK.

**Lucas** · 03-16-2020, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by SharpFork

Using the samples from Global25 and modelling people from Provance(the only ones with Near Eastern ancestral components, a potential sign of Greek influence) as a mixture of other modern French people and Ancient Greeks gives us a Ancient Greek admixture of 1/3 to 0, although I really think Iberian or Italian descended Pied Noirs might be among the people sampled, otherwise I can't explain the stark difference. The average is 13.2%.

It is more then probable, as they only record someone's place of birth in this study, not his four grandparents. And Pied Noirs settled mainly in southern France.