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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    There are French with 66% Neolithic Farmer ancestry LOL.



    It means Southern French are full blown Southern Europeans, not just ''intermediary''.
    66% Farmer would have to be Corsicans..


    Target: French_Corsica
    Distance: 1.9787% / 0.01978718
    61.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    26.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    6.4 WHG
    3.8 Armenia_EBA
    1.2 Morocco_Iberomaurusian

    Target: French_Provence
    Distance: 2.7148% / 0.02714761
    53.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    37.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    8.8 WHG
    0.4 Morocco_Iberomaurusian

    Target: French_South
    Distance: 3.9270% / 0.03926974
    55.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    28.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    16.6 WHG
    0.4 Morocco_Iberomaurusian

    Target: French_Occitanie
    Distance: 3.4150% / 0.03415013
    50.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    36.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    13.4 WHG

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    Can any southern french be modelled with some Greek?even if minimal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    66% Farmer would have to be Corsicans..


    Target: French_Corsica
    Distance: 1.9787% / 0.01978718
    61.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    26.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    6.4 WHG
    3.8 Armenia_EBA
    1.2 Morocco_Iberomaurusian

    Target: French_Provence
    Distance: 2.7148% / 0.02714761
    53.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    37.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    8.8 WHG
    0.4 Morocco_Iberomaurusian

    Target: French_South
    Distance: 3.9270% / 0.03926974
    55.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    28.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    16.6 WHG
    0.4 Morocco_Iberomaurusian

    Target: French_Occitanie
    Distance: 3.4150% / 0.03415013
    50.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    36.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    13.4 WHG
    These models you've runned are still Southern European genetically, not only Corsicans. But if we use other sources of neolithic (other than Barcin) I'm sure French could score even more.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    Can any southern french be modelled with some Greek?even if minimal?
    No, despite Sikeliot's heavy propaganda on this forum, Greeks and South Italians are outliers in Southern Europe. True Southern European cluster is Northern Italian> Southern French > Iberian. Northern Balkanites were probably in this cluster before Slavic invasions (that's why Illyrians are modeled as Iberians/North Italians, not Greeks) and Greeks and modern South Italians have more Iran_N sources of DNA (plus Slavic in Greece and some Levant/Arabic/North African in South Italy).

    Albanians and Central Italians are intermediary between South Euro cluster (Iberia/North Italy/South France) and Eastern-shifted South European cluster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    These models you've runned are still Southern European genetically, not only Corsicans. But if we use other sources of neolithic (other than Barcin) I'm sure French could score even more.




    No, despite Sikeliot's heavy propaganda on this forum, Greeks and South Italians are outliers in Southern Europe. True Southern European cluster is Northern Italian> Southern French > Iberian. Northern Balkanites were probably in this cluster before Slavic invasions (that's why Illyrians are modeled as Iberians/North Italians, not Greeks) and Greeks and modern South Italians have more Iran_N sources of DNA (plus Slavic in Greece and some Levant/Arabic/North African in South Italy).

    Albanians and Central Italians are intermediary between South Euro cluster (Iberia/North Italy/South France) and Eastern-shifted South European cluster.

    Yeah, but you have different degree of cluster. French provençal are not exactly the same than SouthWestern French, because they are not Basque shifted.

    You are a Venetian, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post

    No, despite Sikeliot's heavy propaganda on this forum, Greeks and South Italians are outliers in Southern Europe. True Southern European cluster is Northern Italian> Southern French > Iberian. Northern Balkanites were probably in this cluster before Slavic invasions (that's why Illyrians are modeled as Iberians/North Italians, not Greeks) and Greeks and modern South Italians have more Iran_N sources of DNA (plus Slavic in Greece and some Levant/Arabic/North African in South Italy).

    Albanians and Central Italians are intermediary between South Euro cluster (Iberia/North Italy/South France) and Eastern-shifted South European cluster.
    I'm not talking about such clusters but possible actual Greek ancestry diluted(see Greek colonies ,Marseille ,Antibes,Nice&Adge ) ..like even 90% X population + 10% Greek(any modern or ancient sample) would do it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    I'm not talking about such clusters but possible actual Greek ancestry diluted(see Greek colonies ,Marseille ,Antibes,Nice&Adge ) ..like even 90% X population + 10% Greek(any modern or ancient sample) would do it...
    I don't think about Greek admixture in Provence as ancient. These Greek colonies today inhabited chiefly by "French" people (of immigrant Italian and Corsican descent) and Kabyles. Modern Greek diaspora of Marseille are survivors of Chios massacre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hajimurad View Post
    I don't think about Greek admixture in Provence as ancient. These Greek colonies today inhabited chiefly by "French" people (of immigrant Italian and Corsican descent) and Kabyles. Modern Greek diaspora of Marseille are survivors of Chios massacre.
    Yeah modern diaspora is another thing ,i'm referring to ethnic French ofc..So you say before the arrival of those immigrants the area was empty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    These models you've runned are still Southern European genetically, not only Corsicans. But if we use other sources of neolithic (other than Barcin) I'm sure French could score even more.
    Don't exagerate, actually the G25 of French Southerners are more southern shifted than the average, even deep southerners would plot well above Northern Spaniards, so no.

    I'm not even talking about Northern French that can be considered as a NW population in all regards, at the first place those of the NW area (Normandy and Britanny).


    No, despite Sikeliot's heavy propaganda on this forum, Greeks and South Italians are outliers in Southern Europe. True Southern European cluster is Northern Italian> Southern French > Iberian. Northern Balkanites were probably in this cluster before Slavic invasions (that's why Illyrians are modeled as Iberians/North Italians, not Greeks) and Greeks and modern South Italians have more Iran_N sources of DNA (plus Slavic in Greece and some Levant/Arabic/North African in South Italy).
    One could argue that the true Southern Euros are Greeks and Southern Italians, it's a pointless discussion.

    There's a SW Euro cluster and a SE one, not one is more "true" than the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    Yeah modern diaspora is another thing ,i'm referring to ethnic French ofc..So you say before the arrival of those immigrants the area was empty?
    No, wasn't empty but French of Provence couldn't trace their ancestry from Greek colonists. That area was affected by piracy and epidemics and repopulated chiefly from mountains of France and Italy. Unlike colonies of Crimea, Asia Minor, Italy and Thrace (who preserved Greek ethnicity) ones of Provence lost their Greek character and became Latin-speaking (Provencal and French languages).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    Can any southern french be modelled with some Greek?even if minimal?
    iirc there is like 10% balkan in southeast in one of the two latest studies. but this balkan could be anything theoretically.

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