In search of the ancestors: Balkan Turks

[Kaspias]

Can you try a model for Azeris or Kars/Igdir?

Iranic:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic,0.094473,0.111708,-0.053551,-0.027455,-0.044316,-0.003347,0.00376,-0.004384,-0.03027,-0.016037,0.004709,-0.004046,0.005649,0.008533,0.004072,-0.002121,-0.022948,-0.004434,0.005531,-0.009755,-0.002496,-0.002844,0.001849,-0.008194,-0.001796
Iranic:IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA,0.095611,0.111708,-0.069767,-0.036176,-0.047393,0.003626,-0.00235,-0.001846,-0.043155,-0.019499,0.003897,-0.002997,0.008771,0.002615,0.00095,0.009679,-0.010561,0.012922,0.006788,-0.003627,-0.003868,-0.013107,-0.004067,-0.004699,0.007664
Iranic:UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o,0.08992,0.098506,-0.054305,0.000646,-0.047701,0.00502,-0.00329,-0.002308,-0.030883,-0.015308,0.001624,0.004346,0.001487,-0.010872,0.011943,0.006364,-0.004172,0.005321,0.012696,-0.012881,-0.004617,-0.000247,-0.001972,0.002771,0.006706
Caucasian:ARM_Lchashen_MBA,0.102441,0.112724,-0.0397865,-0.0166345,-0.0426235,-0.0073905,0.00094,-0.0075,-0.044484,-0.0229615,0.0103115,0.005845,-0.0043855,-0.0057115,0.006379,0.0034475,0.013234,0.000317,0.00044,0.0031265,-0.0008735,-0.001917,-0.003204,0.003916,-0.0011975
Caucasian:ARM_LBA,0.100544,0.122879,-0.0314267,-0.0117357,-0.035699,0.0013017,0.00376,-0.0116917,-0.0465633,-0.0213217,-0.0052507,0.002348,-0.005996,-0.0046333,0.0093197,-0.005878,-0.0009127,0.000718,0.002011,0.0056277,-0.0056567,-0.0014427,0.0077647,-0.0022893,0.002954
Caucasian:RUS_Alan_MA,0.1099532,0.1045994,-0.025418,-0.0089794,-0.0262818,0.0051316,0.0054522,-0.0072458,-0.0456908,-0.0248206,0.0028256,0.0098314,-0.0166796,-0.0065784,0.005809,-0.002758,0.005372,-0.0059036,-0.0057318,0.0034768,0.003893,0.006529,0.0015532,-0.0004094,-0.0036644
Turkic:Kardzhali(Late),0.089206441,-0.019093676,-0.027174746,-0.008376217,-0.022255763,-0.001596444,0.004428779,-0.014446235,-0.01542901,-0.010235216,-0.007027451,-0.002647173,0.026446128,-0.021007808,0.012822564,0.00884677,-0.012869299,0.005754664,0.019007644,-0.024302018,-0.010425378,-0.004387486,-0.009796865,0.012862487,0.008033515
Turkic:Thrace(Late),0.069546986,-0.034108761,0.007679733,0.000835044,-0.053515919,-0.023059786,-0.001402177,0.015965194,-0.021179033,-0.023045215,-0.001621065,-0.006306657,0.010575653,-0.032329261,-0.002897252,0.043699069,0.026933714,0.004588142,0.013250749,0.021384321,0.00149483,-0.004005935,-0.006950395,0.030263906,-0.005220569
Turkic:Varna(Late),0.076713868,0.015699684,-0.022132615,-0.010218625,-0.055030146,0.010107053,0.005297009,0.01849036,-0.018174096,-0.000571806,-0.006876377,-0.008199434,0.000190444,-0.011858004,0.017942517,0.034936642,0.02255338,0.001543916,-0.012626638,0.001868582,0.001531176,-0.001145645,-0.007585505,0.025195903,-0.022540232
Anatolian:IND_Roopkund_B_o:I6935,0.108132,0.144205,-0.044123,-0.061047,-0.008309,-0.0251,-0.000705,-0.007154,-0.018816,0.012392,0.011367,0.00015,-0.004608,0.004954,-0.011672,-0.005038,0.007041,0.003801,0.005656,-0.01088,-0.005116,0.000618,0.001849,0.001807,0.006227

Early Turkic form:

[SharpFork]

I realized i didn't model the samples which i used:



Distances are shining.

What about Turkic early? Does the late part mask all the Anatolian admixture?

[Kaspias]

What about Turkic early? Does the late part mask all the Anatolian admixture?

Early:

[SharpFork]

Early:

Why no Anatolian? Also can you model Gagauz too?

[Kaspias]

Why no Anatolian? Also can you model Gagauz too?

Apparently Balkan Turks don't have Anatolian admixture. We already have been suspecting it with @Thracian and @Deniz, and this suggests it too.


Early



Late

[Thracian]

Apparently Balkan Turks don't have Anatolian admixture. We already have been suspecting it with @Thracian and @Deniz, and this suggests it too.


Early



Late

All models that we tried suggest it. Turks from Balkans have no Anatolian ancestry, or have just negligible Anatolian ancestry.

Do you think late or early models are suitable? I think that late one can hide recent Iranic ancestry if one really has Iranic ancestry.

[Dick]

Apparently Balkan Turks don't have Anatolian admixture. We already have been suspecting it with @Thracian and @Deniz, and this suggests it too.


Early



Late

I don’t see Bosniensis

[Bosniensis]

I don’t see Bosniensis

Kaspias said I am "a honorary Turk"

[Kaspias]

All models that we tried suggest it. Turks from Balkans have no Anatolian ancestry, or have just negligible Anatolian ancestry.

Do you think late or early models are suitable? I think that late one can hide recent Iranic ancestry if one really has Iranic ancestry.

Late represent the Turkic speaker who footed on Balkans, so we should use it in our everyday modelings. Early was just to inform, how Pure Turkic ancestor would look like in genetic meaning. I can say both are really representative and suitable.

See:

I realized i didn't model the samples which i used:



Distances are shining.

I don’t see Bosniensis

In our hearts.

[Thracian]

Late represent the Turkic speaker who footed on Balkans, so we should use it in our everyday modelings. Early was just to inform, how Pure Turkic ancestor would look like in genetic meaning. I can say both are really representative and suitable.

See:







In our hearts.

Yes, the distances are really great. I haven't tried your samples yet but I think we will have better distances using them instead of Modern Turkmens or Ottomans.