Why Western Food is BANNED in Russia

[Rumata]

Western junk food should be banned. The Russians are right to minimize these Western shit. They have their own good, healthy and healthy food. Nobody wants to eat the plastic and full of hormones and GMOs Western food.

I agree. And Russian junk food should be banned as well. However the problem with Russian junk food is that you can't tell it's junk by reading the list of ingredients which often lies.

Our food standards were higher by the time we joined the EU. These were standards from the time of communism, and then everything was very strict. After the collapse of the communist system, everything went downhill, and with the accession to the EU and equalization to European norms it got worse. I do not look with pink glasses because I know our weaknesses, but I also know what we lost when entering the so-called western world. Comparing Russia with the countries of South and Southeast Asia is crazy, without having a real look at what is in Russia, and relying only on your trendy and anti-Russian mass media.

Commies produced more natural food. They say it's similar in Belarus now.
Concerning pre-Perestroika food shortage - it should be man made to make the population wish political changes (Perestroika). The whole "deficit" thing was very ugly.

[Rumata]

Putler and Trumpler

Unfortunately, I can't thumb up some of your posts in this thread because such an action can be regarded as an insult to the authorities of RF.

[Ülev]

but I can agree to the some degree that in Soviet times, after watching this another one Russian video which I just reminded myself - the norms were higher
https://youtu.be/hCNfk-iIeD0

[PAGANE]

In fact, I will accept that you do not believe as a compliment to me, but the truth is that I was born in 1971. I was not born into a family of nomenclature, but into an ordinary working-class family, with my childhood moving to a village. To me, your ideas about life in the former communist countries are ridiculous. We were not hungry, everyone was working, everyone had their own home and they didn't rent, the food was delicious, the water was delicious. Today, in a Western pattern - starving people, begging on the streets, ruined economies to turn these countries into only consumers of low-quality western goods, housing prices are such that people can hardly afford their own home and are forced to live. for rent. We didn't even know what we were talking about. We didn't know what palm oil was or produce dairy products that contained no milk and vegetable fats or sausages that contained no meat but soy. Your ideas about our life are like a fantasy movie from a low-budget western movie company. I am sorry today for the children and grandchildren who have to live this way

[KirillMazur]

I don't think you are of that age. Or you were simply part of the nomenklatura. Such a system didn't have real standards because it couldn't afford them. It didn't have standards in any field to begin with - not even morally.

In the USSR there was the best mass food in the 20th century, accessible even to a person with the simplest profession. Everything was prepared to a high standard using only natural ingredients. Soviet economists warned that when capitalism loses the alternative, the food industry will become a chemical appendage. And so it happened.
Why do you think modern manufacturers make packages look like Soviet ones with GOST inscription?



Here is an example of Soviet GOSTs for half-smoked sausages (in Russian). Be sure they were 100% respected - https://files.stroyinf.ru/Index2/1/4...4294752272.htm
It’s ridiculous to talk about the moral of society - now it doesn’t exist at all, everything can be bought and sold, man is wolf to man. The Iron Curtain reliably performed its function of protecting the Soviet population from Western (dictated by global capital) moral filth.
You judge the USSR by the period 1985-1990, when a decision was already made about the coming privatization at the KPSS (f*ck them) and successful attempts were made to denigrate socialism in the minds of the masses by artificial methods. They still do.
First of all, the destruction of the USSR struck (and will hit even harder) all the countries in the world, for now we have a capitalist monopoly on the whole planet, which is already getting rid of the "extra" population and destroying the "expensive" peoples.

[Rumata]

In the USSR there was the best mass food in the 20th century, accessible even to a person with the simplest profession. Everything was prepared to a high standard using only natural ingredients. Soviet economists warned that when capitalism loses the alternative, the food industry will become a chemical appendage. And so it happened.
Why do you think modern manufacturers make packages look like Soviet ones with GOST inscription?

True. In Russia the modern moneymakers know that the people think of Soviet food as of quality product and they abuse this fact by placing their (often) junk product into a package styled Soviet style. There are hundreds of examples of it if not more.

[Tooting Carmen]

As for food security. People who could do it would have bought it straight from the farmers (before that: collectives - usually that was illegal as well) and guess what that also means: milk would have been unpasteurised. We're talking about tuberculosis here, typhoid, paratyphoid, Malta fever etc. etc. Those would have been risks in diary alone. And particularly under regimes like communism, there would be a real incentive to ignore standards as food production was lower as the lack of a profit incentive and forced collectivisation meant the absence of increasing quality and output from farmers who didn't own their own land (a very big thing with farmers). So in order to meet the five year plans set by the party commissars (today - we know them as oligarchs), one would have been forced to ignore standards.

So with those standards set under such a system - how can you claim that your country had better food standards before joining the EU when the system that created them was fucked up, perverse and corrupt from top to bottom and back again. Even more fucked up, perverse and corrupt than what we have now (and that should tell you something).

This reminds me of what the journalist Peter Hitchens wrote about his experience of living in the USSR: juxtaposed with the political totalitarianism and strictness, in many ways it was actually quite chaotic, corrupt and dangerous. Not just the food but also televisions were shoddy and prone to explode, people couldn't go out on their own balconies as chances are they'd collapse, the traffic was a nightmare, people had no concept of queuing for buses or trains... The biggest irony of all is that, in a country where the official ideology is strict egalitarianism, it was actually far more stratified than any Western country, with special lanes for government cars everywhere, special schools (albeit not fee-paying as such) for the children of government representatives. In addition, he tells of a story of getting away with a parking offence merely by saying he was a journalist (and a foreign one to boot) in a way that would not be possible in Britain.

[The Lawspeaker]

This reminds me of what the journalist Peter Hitchens wrote about his experience of living in the USSR: juxtaposed with the political totalitarianism and strictness, in many ways it was actually quite chaotic, corrupt and dangerous. Not just the food but also televisions were shoddy and prone to explode, people couldn't go out on their own balconies as chances are they'd collapse, the traffic was a nightmare, people had no concept of queuing for buses or trains... The biggest irony of all is that, in a country where the official ideology is strict egalitarianism, it was actually far more stratified than any Western country, with special lanes for government cars everywhere, special schools (albeit not fee-paying as such) for the children of government representatives. In addition, he tells of a story of getting away with a parking offence merely by saying he was a journalist (and a foreign one to boot) in a way that would not be possible in Britain.

In a country with special shops for apparatchiks and foreign diplomats and, according to what I read in Russian Journal, hard currency prostitutes who reported to the KGB, what do you expect ?

[The Lawspeaker]

Unfortunately, I can't thumb up some of your posts in this thread because such an action can be regarded as an insult to the authorities of RF.

I think they're both as bad as the other.

[Tooting Carmen]

In a country with special shops for apparatchiks and foreign diplomats and, according to what I read in Russian Journal, hard currency prostitutes who reported to the KGB, what do you expect ?

In practice, Communism largely substituted stratification by money (in a Western capitalist sense) with stratification by pure power and position. In a way our dear friends in Saudi Arabia and to some extent the other Gulf countries are not so dissimilar - politically totalitarian, yet with laws that may appear strict and puritanical on the outside, but if you're part of the elite you can (literally) get away with murder (and much more besides).

(Say what you like about the CCP, but at least it is open about the fact it no longer intends to run a socialist-egalitarian society).