Turks vs Greeks, from genetics coherence viewpoint

[Heaven]

Whereas Turks, even ones from Thrace or Bulgaria, have genetics components which set them apart from surrounding people and a historical continuity with the noble pre-Muslim Turks, we see that Greeks are a genetically chaotic people and the result of 2 millenia of failures and assimilation.

Who is Greek?
What is a Greek?
Is Greek anyone having been assimilated by the Orthodox Church at some point in history and ending up learning Hellenic language as from 1820.
As a result of this loose identity, Greeks are a mishmash people who don't have any biological aspect that distinguishes them from other people in the world or in the region.
Albanian, Vlah, Slav, Arab, Copt, Maronites, Turks, Armenian, Laz, Georgian,... They have all united around the Orthodox Church and created the modern Greek people.

Therefore, we can easily conclude that the Turks are a genetically way more coherent people (though living in a more diverse country) than Greeks ever are.

[Faklon]

Haak et al, peer-reviwed.

Greeks are mainly Neolithic Barcin/Minoan with some Steppe. Turks are Kurdish turncloacks from the Iranic plateau, case closed.

[Aileron]

Greeks are wogs though we are not

[Heaven]

Greeks from Epirus is kind of Albanian whereas Greeks from Crete, Cyprus are genetically Arabs. No coherence and no distinctive biological feature from neighbouring nations. When you add Pontic immigrants, that is chaos.

Rest is Dienekes Pontikos style cheap propaganda.

[Faklon]

There is no huge gap between greek localities, only among Pontics.

Cretans themselves are 10 times closer to Epirots than they are to either Turks or Arabs, Turks and Arabs is also a closely related group.

It's all Kebabtard propaganda.

[Heaven]

Epirus Greek is closer to Albanians than to Cretans or even to Athenians.
Cyprus Greek is closer to Arabs than to Mainlanders.
Pontus Greek is closer to Armenians than to any Other Greeks.
Plus Greeks don't have any biological element proper to them.

Thus, Greeks don't exist in biological sense.

[userade]

Modern Greeks and Turks are similar in their Neolithic component breakdown, meaning that they draw their ancestry from the same populations in similar (not same) breakdowns. What sets modern Turks apart is their closer affinity to Iranian_Neolithic (in which they score roughly double the % that Greeks do), and, of course, their Siberian Neolithic ancestry (5-13% averagely) that Greeks completely lack.



The exception to the rule are Greek and Turkish Trabzon samples, who, although having slightly different affinities (Greeks towards the Caucasus in comparison to Turks), share striking similarity in their breakdown and, in my opinion, consist of an almost undiluted Kura-Araxes-like modern population:

Target: Turkish_Trabzon
Distance: 1.9456% / 0.01945646
75.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
24.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N

Target: Greek_Trabzon
Distance: 1.7832% / 0.01783199
77.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
22.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N

[Leto]

Modern Greeks and Turks are similar in their Neolithic component breakdown, meaning that they draw their ancestry from the same populations in similar (not same) breakdowns. What sets modern Turks apart is their closer affinity to Iranian_Neolithic (in which they score roughly double the % that Greeks do), and, of course, their Siberian Neolithic ancestry (5-13% averagely) that Greeks completely lack.



The exception to the rule are Greek and Turkish Trabzon samples, who, although having slightly different affinities (Greeks towards the Caucasus in comparison to Turks), share striking similarity in their breakdown and, in my opinion, consist of an almost undiluted Kura-Araxes-like modern population:

Target: Turkish_Trabzon
Distance: 1.9456% / 0.01945646
75.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
24.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N

Target: Greek_Trabzon
Distance: 1.7832% / 0.01783199
77.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
22.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N

Can you post the same thing for the North Caucasus? I don't have the spreadsheet at hand right now.

[TheMaestro]

Greeks are wogs though we are not

True, every tourist that comes to Turkey wonders if he ended up in Sweden or Turkey, can't tell.

[userade]

If I am to comment further, I'd like to use this video to demonstrate what constitutes, in my opinion, the relative individuality and uniqueness of the Trabzon sample cluster. The song is sang by both father and son in a seemingly seamless manner, first in Turkish (in the dialect of Erzurum/Kars) and then in Romeyka/Rumca. It's fascinating how this genetic cluster of people persevered and ended up belonging to both nations and at the same time in none.