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    Albanians and Greeks have the best traditional costumes and music

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    The op is talking about "traditional Greek costumes" like it is only one type, at the same time that there were important differences between areas and even classes within the same area, most of which didn't really have anything to do with Albania









    what he possibly refers to is Fustanella kilt, which as a mainly "paramilitary" cloth it was shared between many populations without that making it part of a specific one's tradition only.

    Other than fustanella I don't see any important resemblance between the two countries

    what the specific user also likely ignores is that his own country's (turkey's) traditional clothing is nearly all identical to Arabic middle Eastern one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glauk View Post
    Albanians and Greeks have the best traditional costumes and music
    much of the two countries' costume and music is likely shared, but an even bigger part looks/sounds quite different

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    much of the two countries' costume and music is likely shared, but an even bigger part looks/sounds quite different
    Elaborate please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glauk View Post
    Elaborate please?
    which of the two parts of my comment in particular?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    which of the two parts of my comment in particular?
    The second part about the bigger picture and differences

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    The origin of "Turkish" poster Mustafa Tekin must be sought in Albania
    The Talmud tells us that the only language the Torah could be translated into elegantly is Greek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MustafaTekin View Post

    Abanians from Ioannina in low, middle and high class traditional clothing

    In the French magazine, 'L'Année géographique: Revue annuelle des voyages de terre et de l'ainsi que des explorations, missions, relations et publications diverses relatives aux sciences géographiques et ethnographiques', published in 1872 by the publishing house "L. Hachette et Cie (Paris), we find on page 327, the article of the famous French archaeologist, Albert Dumont, who was in Albania in the Summer of that year.
    How are the Albanians described in this article? Below you will find some fragments of brilliant stories by the magazine and author about our people, brought to Albanian by Aurenc Bebja and adapted to Englisht by Oculus News.



    The story of Albanians through the journey of the French archeologist in Albania:

    "Albania, in where Mr. Albert Dumont has entered through Shkodra, was assigned at the center of the new observations. In Dalmatia, the author mainly studies the country, while in Albania the people. «Skypetar» as he by himself calls the ALbanians - are virgin peoples, almost primitive, whos has no similarity with the European (with the West). Familiar with Hellenistic antiquity, Mr. Dumont, is astonished every moment of Albanian costumes, traditions or analogies, which remind him of the Greeks of Homeric times. Albanians reside in areas that were once Pelasgians. It is very likely that some of the blood of these ancient inhabitants (of this primary race) is still flowing to Albanians' veins."

    The confession of the French archeologist about the Albanians:

    "The Albanian man is distinguished perfectly; his little head, thin nose, sharp eye, almond-like, long neck, weak body, long and strong legs, he reminds us of ancient Greeks, as we find them in the archaic marble sculptures of Greece. His costume (traditional clothing) also highlights the memories of antiquity. The white dress reminds us of the tunic up to the waistband, and the long knee-length knees are the defenders of the heroic era. The traditional clothing is not wide but is inflated as in the beautiful Greek era; but in the old-style pots, (in 1870, the French Ministry of Public Education has given the author's mission to study the painted Greek pots and reveal their ancestry), the ancient Hellenes did not had the contemporary habits of the Pericles era. Exactly, the explanations of old Hellenic costumes should be sought in Albania."
    It is a well known fact that all Ancient people in the Mediterranean, if not all of Europe, did not wear any trousers, and specifically the Greeks considered them ridiculous while the Romans deemed them Barbarian, so the "Fustanella" (which is actually an Italian name, not an Albanian one) is basically a design dating all the way to Ancient Greece and Rome, while pantalons all of us are wearing today (except for some girls and some third world folks) were introduced to the Balkans via Greece, and thus in a weird fashion the Fustanella was deemed an "Albanian cloth". Except that all of the Ancient Greek and Roman statues still sport skirts instead of pantalons, so even a stupid canine like yourself could actually see that in the statues which have been left in your zoo, but hey! You are too much canine to understand it!!!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trousers#Antiquity

    Antiquity[edit]


    Scythian wearing pants

    Trousers enter recorded history in the 6th century BC, on the rock carvings and artworks of Persepolis,[6] and with the appearance of horse-riding Eurasian nomads in Greek ethnography. At this time, Iranian peoples such as Scythians, Sarmatians, Sogdians and Bactrians among others, along with Armenians and Eastern and Central Asian peoples such as the Xiongnu and Hunnu, are known to have worn trousers.[7][8] Trousers are believed to have been worn by both sexes among these early users.[9]
    The ancient Greeks used the term "ἀναξυρίδες" (anaxyrides) for the trousers worn by Eastern nations[10] and "σαράβαρα" (sarabara) for the loose trousers worn by the Scythians.[11] However, they did not wear trousers since they thought them ridiculous,[12][13] using the word "θύλακοι" (thulakoi), pl. of "θύλακος" (thulakos), "sack", as a slang term for the loose trousers of Persians and other Middle Easterners.[14]
    Republican Rome viewed the draped clothing of Greek and Minoan (Cretan) culture as an emblem of civilisation and disdained trousers as the mark of barbarians.[15] As the Roman Empire expanded beyond the Mediterranean basin, however, the greater warmth provided by trousers led to their adoption.[16] Two types of trousers eventually saw widespread use in Rome: the Feminalia, which fit snugly and usually fell to knee or mid-calf length,[17] and the Braccae, a loose-fitting trouser that was closed at the ankles.[18] Both garments were adopted originally from the Celts of Europe, although later familiarity with the Persian Near East and the Teutons increased acceptance. Feminalia and Braccae both began use as military garments, spreading to civilian dress later, and were eventually made in a variety of materials including leather, wool, cotton and silk.[19]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Ancient Hellenic samples mostly focus 1. Kosovo 2. Albania etc..

    But I believe that ancient hellenic customs originate from Syrians, for Syrian Gods and Syrian clothing (Sumer, Hitties) were similar.

    It's impossible not to be related to Syrians for Syrians lived 20 km from Troy and were more advanced than Any culture in their time.
    You have a vivid imagination and absolutely no knowledge about anything. The Assyrians didn't get even 200 km near Troy, and the Syrians are a much later breed...

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