Continental ancestry in Iberian Argentines vs Italian Argentines 1.154 Argentines kit from Gedmatch

[Argentano]

Do you have all those data in an excel type table?I mean the 1154 individuals data.

It would be interesting to see what a the average k15 of that classification is for every origins.

(No sé si me explico bien en inglés, me refiero a hacer las medias de argentinos con ancestros italianos y españoles, para ver como sería un tipo promedio de k15 de cada clase)

Si tengo los 1.154 en un excel y puedo hacer eso. Es mas creo que ya hice un thread parecido en algun momento. Es decir el % europeo/amerindio/SSA promedio segun el rango east med, no?

Lo que si hay que tener en cuenta es que la mayoria esta mezclado con varios origenes europeos entonces tal vez alguien que esta en el rango north italian es mitad español mitad italiano del sur y en realidad no termina siendo 100% veridico. Me explico?

La gran mayoria de los argentinos que salen north italian no deben ser 100% north italian sino que deben tener una mezcla.Porque los italianos del norte son como un intermedio entre un español y un italiano del sur. Aproximadamente hablando obviamente.

[Erronkari]

It happens because Basques have no North African admixture. Northeast African and SSA in Iberians and Sicilians comes from North African admixture. West Iberians will have the most, Basques will have 0%.

Thank you very much bro!! Very clear explanation.
Indeed I noticed that many portuguese and galicians score some SSA between 0.5% to 2%.

[Argentano]

I know what they are, what i meant is that east med couldn't be considered a 100% MENA component.

yes i agree

[Argentano]

These are some GEDmatch results for Northeast Italy:

Veneto:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 24.78
2 West_Med 18.81
3 East_Med 13.91
4 North_Sea 13.36
5 Baltic 9.59
6 West_Asian 8.42
7 Eastern_Euro 7.71
8 Red_Sea 2.27

Friuli


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 21.56
2 Atlantic 20.62
3 West_Med 17.73
4 East_Med 13.36
5 Baltic 11.71
6 West_Asian 9.17
7 Eastern_Euro 4.40

Friuli

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 25.57
2 North_Sea 19.28
3 West_Med 16.45
4 Baltic 11.99
5 East_Med 11.63
6 West_Asian 7.56
7 Eastern_Euro 5.54
8 Red_Sea 1.46


North Italians have diverse results, the North Italian reference in GEDmatch is very bad for Northeast Italians, it gives them extremely high distances in the oracles, for example.

in my gedmatch sample i just added random italians from different regions. Yes some italians will score low east but they are a minority. Even in north italy.

Maybe that minorty is very important in brazil but ii doubt its the most important in argentina so i dont take them into consideration when doing this "experiment"

But i do get your point regarding veneto and friuli


EDIT: The examples your provided

Veneto :24.6 East med
Friuli: You didnt include de Red Sea With red sea probably around 24% east med
Friuli: 20.65 East Med

Notice how this low east med north italians you are posting actually have a high east med for iberian standards. 2 out of 3 are in my north italian east med range of over 23

Argentines in the Iberian Range (10-23% East Med) are

[Samnium]

in my gedmatch sample i just added random italians from different regions. Yes some italians will score low east but they are a minority. Even in north italy.

Maybe that minorty is very important in brazil but ii doubt its the most important in argentina so i dont take them into consideration when doing this "experiment"

But i do get your point regarding veneto and friuli


EDIT: The examples your provided

Veneto :24.6 East med
Friuli: You didnt include de Red Sea With red sea probably around 24% east med
Friuli: 20.65 East Med

Notice how this low east med north italians actually have a high east med for iberian standards. 2 of 3 are in my north italian east med range

Friuli is a very atypical region... Like Aosta, but more southern shifted.

The most atypical of all "Northern" Italians are Aostans, they are even more northern than Southern-Eastern French. They are clearly French-like in genetics.

[Argentano]

Friuli is a very atypical region... Like Aosta, but more southern shifted.

The most atypical of all "Northern" Italians are Aostans, they are even more northern than Southern-Eastern French. They are clearly French-like in genetics.

i added a lot of random italians from every region and the ones scoring low "east med" are a clear minority.




Anyawy this is offtopic the therad is about contintental ancestry in argentines depending european origin (spanish or italian showed by the east med)

[gixajo]

It's curious that I score 0 North East African.
May be because my main origin is Basque??

Did you score in SSA?

[Samnium]

i added a lot of random italians from every region and the ones scoring low "east med" are a clear minority.




Anyawy this is offtopic the therad is about contintental ancestry in argentines depending european origin (spanish or italian showed by the east med)

That sample from Friuli with 56% N.Atlantic + Baltic... is actually Southern French like. Very very atypical for Northern Italy, I think not even 1% of the people living here would score like that.

[gixajo]

Si tengo los 1.154 en un excel y puedo hacer eso. Es mas creo que ya hice un thread parecido en algun momento. Es decir el % europeo/amerindio/SSA promedio segun el rango east med, no?

Lo que si hay que tener en cuenta es que la mayoria esta mezclado con varios origenes europeos entonces tal vez alguien que esta en el rango north italian es mitad español mitad italiano del sur y en realidad no termina siendo 100% veridico. Me explico?

La gran mayoria de los argentinos que salen north italian no deben ser 100% north italian sino que deben tener una mezcla.Porque los italianos del norte son como un intermedio entre un español y un italiano del sur. Aproximadamente hablando obviamente.

Sí, te explicas. Otra cosa más, aunque algo dejas caer con tu respuesta,para que me quede del todo claro.

¿Se supone que la muestra es de individuos con ambos padres italianos o ambos padres europeos? (Aparte de que como comentas, los de ascendencia italiana pueden tener ascendencia tanto del norte como del sur de Italia.)

[Erronkari]

Did you score in SSA?

Oh, only in 23andme, but just only 0.3%.
In Ancestry, FTDNA, LivingDNA and the rest I just scored 0 for all of them.
That 0.3% could come from a disctant Sicilian ancestry.