Which region has the highest amount of north african admixture between Iberia and Sicily ?

[Rocinante]

I don't think so buddy, but there is definitely some small amount of Northern European input in Iberia however it got sexually distributed, probably the Gothic and Vandalic rape squads, possibly Scythians too

Goths didn't have a real impact in the galicians, they were ruled more time by the suebis. If you don't believe me, it's ok. But just saying that I'm 3/4 northwestern iberian and i saw a lot of galicians K15 and K36. I know what i am talking about.

[Gaska]

Yes I want to know because I'm north african myself and want to know the NA admixture of our neighbours I don't see what's wrong with this. Actually you didn't even answer me I ask for galicia and sicily and your results are clearly false all portuguese results I've seen have at least 8% I doubt 5% is the average. Also Galicia is the region in Spain (excluding canaria) with the highest amount of NA admixture with an average of 10%. You clearly underestimate the NA admixture I've studies to back up my claims here. Moreover yes the south was repopulated by northern settlers especially when you look at roman and medieval samples from south-east iberia they all almost scored 40-50% NA.

I don't know what sources you use, but they are certainly wrong because those percentages are from a recent doctoral thesis with more than 10,000 samples throughout Spain so be careful what you say about their falsehood-I don´t clearley understimate nothing, next time try abstaining from saying such bullshit-

In addition, if you knew some genetics, you would understand that to find out when that percentage entered the Iberian Peninsula, you have to study all the ancient genomes available, and interestingly, that small African percentage that sometimes reaches 1% in the chalcolithic remains almost constant until the arrival of the Romans. Then it is clear that the Muslim invasion (711) left hardly a genetic trail in the north and east of the peninsula while in the west except in Extremadura it does not reach 5%. This is one of the most interesting genetic discussions in Spain because nobody can explain at the moment why Galicia has a 4.4% NA if the Moors were never there.

It seems very good to me that you show interest in the genetics of your neighbors, but do not lie about the percentages- Now the Spaniards are much more tolerant but you have to understand that we do not have much sympathy for the Moors-We don't have very good memories of our African neighbors, because we had to fight hundreds of years against them. In my village we still have the ruins of a convent burned by Almanzor, so it is normal for a Spaniard to get angry if you use false data about it.

[Samnium]

I don't think so buddy, but there is definitely some small amount of Northern European input in Iberia however it got sexually distributed, probably the Gothic and Vandalic rape squads, possibly Scythians too

What do you say to that ?

Target: Spanish_Pirineu
Distance: 3.0275% / 0.03027515
50.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD
49.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
Distance: 3.5380% / 0.03538046
53.0 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.0 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Penedes
Distance: 3.3723% / 0.03372271
55.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
44.4 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Pais_Vasco
Distance: 3.0092% / 0.03009165
50.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
49.4 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Navarra
Distance: 3.4553% / 0.03455276
50.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
49.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Murcia
Distance: 4.2525% / 0.04252540
50.6 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
49.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Menorca
Distance: 4.3386% / 0.04338631
50.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
49.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Mallorca
Distance: 4.0465% / 0.04046472
54.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
45.4 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Lleida
Distance: 3.2870% / 0.03286980
53.0 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.0 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_La_Rioja
Distance: 3.0406% / 0.03040568
57.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
42.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 4.1672% / 0.04167167
52.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.6 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 4.7021% / 0.04702144
51.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
48.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Eivissa
Distance: 4.3468% / 0.04346828
52.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.6 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Catalunya_Central
Distance: 3.1767% / 0.03176744
53.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
46.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Cataluna
Distance: 3.2910% / 0.03291040
52.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.4 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 4.4761% / 0.04476076
52.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
Distance: 3.8065% / 0.03806517
50.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
49.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Castello
Distance: 2.9970% / 0.02997001
50.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD
49.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Cantabria
Distance: 3.1258% / 0.03125835
51.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
48.6 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Canarias
Distance: 6.9588% / 0.06958773
52.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
47.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
Distance: 3.3396% / 0.03339579
54.0 Bell_Beaker_NLD
46.0 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Barcelones
Distance: 3.2815% / 0.03281476
54.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
45.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Baleares
Distance: 4.2175% / 0.04217514
52.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.4 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Asturias
Distance: 4.7574% / 0.04757434
51.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
48.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Aragon
Distance: 3.5340% / 0.03533986
50.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
49.6 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 4.3382% / 0.04338248
50.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
49.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Alacant
Distance: 3.9519% / 0.03951942
52.0 Bell_Beaker_NLD
48.0 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Bell_Beaker NLD clustering more Northern than modern Scandinavians, just saying.

[Rocinante]

What do you say to that ?

Target: Spanish_Pirineu
Distance: 3.0275% / 0.03027515
50.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD
49.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
Distance: 3.5380% / 0.03538046
53.0 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.0 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Penedes
Distance: 3.3723% / 0.03372271
55.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
44.4 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Pais_Vasco
Distance: 3.0092% / 0.03009165
50.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
49.4 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Navarra
Distance: 3.4553% / 0.03455276
50.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
49.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Murcia
Distance: 4.2525% / 0.04252540
50.6 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
49.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Menorca
Distance: 4.3386% / 0.04338631
50.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
49.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Mallorca
Distance: 4.0465% / 0.04046472
54.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
45.4 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Lleida
Distance: 3.2870% / 0.03286980
53.0 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.0 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_La_Rioja
Distance: 3.0406% / 0.03040568
57.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
42.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 4.1672% / 0.04167167
52.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.6 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 4.7021% / 0.04702144
51.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
48.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Eivissa
Distance: 4.3468% / 0.04346828
52.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.6 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Catalunya_Central
Distance: 3.1767% / 0.03176744
53.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
46.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Cataluna
Distance: 3.2910% / 0.03291040
52.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.4 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 4.4761% / 0.04476076
52.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
Distance: 3.8065% / 0.03806517
50.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
49.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Castello
Distance: 2.9970% / 0.02997001
50.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD
49.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Cantabria
Distance: 3.1258% / 0.03125835
51.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
48.6 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Canarias
Distance: 6.9588% / 0.06958773
52.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
47.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
Distance: 3.3396% / 0.03339579
54.0 Bell_Beaker_NLD
46.0 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Barcelones
Distance: 3.2815% / 0.03281476
54.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
45.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Baleares
Distance: 4.2175% / 0.04217514
52.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.4 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Asturias
Distance: 4.7574% / 0.04757434
51.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
48.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Aragon
Distance: 3.5340% / 0.03533986
50.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
49.6 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 4.3382% / 0.04338248
50.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
49.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Alacant
Distance: 3.9519% / 0.03951942
52.0 Bell_Beaker_NLD
48.0 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Bell_Beaker NLD clustering more Northern than modern Scandinavians, just saying.

Where can i find that g25 modeling?

[Cumansky]

Goths didn't have a real impact in the galicians, they were ruled more time by the suebis. If you don't believe me, it's ok. But just saying that I'm 3/4 northwestern iberian and i saw a lot of galicians K15 and K36. I know what i am talking about.

I believe you, Suebi I heard of that Barbarian tribe going to the Iberian Peninsula, but how much can these Barbarians really leave in terms of genetic? You know is lower end of your genetic

Basques, I use them in many of my calculators, Basque admixture is getting picked up all around Europe and even non-Europeans showing. Basque is a diverse sample but also has a distinct origin because of their communication language shows to have some distinct characteristics

[Samnium]

Distance to: Bell_Beaker_NLD

0.03463511 Icelandic
0.03663791 Norwegian
0.03665182 Swedish
0.04043258 Orcadian
0.04054541 Irish
0.04144717 Scottish
0.04165060 Shetlandic
0.04191246 Dutch
0.04655772 English
0.04682025 Welsh
0.04984215 English_Cornwall
0.05172174 German
0.05199097 French_Brittany
0.05272974 German_East
0.05471590 Czech
0.06045254 Slovakian
0.06095871 Austrian
0.06202049 Finnish
0.06269363 Hungarian
0.06276326 Polish
0.06286551 Belgian
0.06666054 French_Nord
0.06688260 Ingrian
0.06759967 Ukrainian
0.06799847 Russian_Orel

Distance to: Iberia_Southwest_MLN
0.05798519 Sardinian
0.09376381 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.10063295 Basque_Spanish
0.10579225 Basque_French
0.10826317 French_South
0.10877696 Spanish_Navarra
0.10902770 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.10938071 Spanish_Castello
0.10964086 Spanish_Pirineu
0.11018070 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.11029499 Spanish_Aragon
0.11069855 Spanish_Murcia
0.11100177 Spanish_Valencia
0.11117651 Spanish_Cantabria
0.11201650 Spanish_Andalucia
0.11263158 Spanish_Menorca
0.11283650 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.11331921 French_Corsica
0.11351717 Spanish_Soria
0.11393565 Spanish_Cataluna
0.11456594 Spanish_Lleida
0.11465751 Spanish_Alacant
0.11484382 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.11530998 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.11591565 Spanish_Extremadura

Where can i find that g25 modeling?

You have just to use the scaled averages :

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F2r...SQNsmA-sl/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wZr...CQncZWb8y/view

I've made it one model rapidly, I think you can find even better sources for the Neolithic ancestry to improve the fit but that was not my objective here.

[Cumansky]

What do you say to that ?

Target: Spanish_Pirineu
Distance: 3.0275% / 0.03027515
50.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD
49.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
Distance: 3.5380% / 0.03538046
53.0 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.0 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Penedes
Distance: 3.3723% / 0.03372271
55.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
44.4 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Pais_Vasco
Distance: 3.0092% / 0.03009165
50.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
49.4 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Navarra
Distance: 3.4553% / 0.03455276
50.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
49.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Murcia
Distance: 4.2525% / 0.04252540
50.6 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
49.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Menorca
Distance: 4.3386% / 0.04338631
50.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
49.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Mallorca
Distance: 4.0465% / 0.04046472
54.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
45.4 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Lleida
Distance: 3.2870% / 0.03286980
53.0 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.0 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_La_Rioja
Distance: 3.0406% / 0.03040568
57.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
42.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 4.1672% / 0.04167167
52.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.6 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 4.7021% / 0.04702144
51.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
48.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Eivissa
Distance: 4.3468% / 0.04346828
52.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.6 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Catalunya_Central
Distance: 3.1767% / 0.03176744
53.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
46.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Cataluna
Distance: 3.2910% / 0.03291040
52.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.4 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 4.4761% / 0.04476076
52.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
Distance: 3.8065% / 0.03806517
50.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
49.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Castello
Distance: 2.9970% / 0.02997001
50.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD
49.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Cantabria
Distance: 3.1258% / 0.03125835
51.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
48.6 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Canarias
Distance: 6.9588% / 0.06958773
52.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
47.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
Distance: 3.3396% / 0.03339579
54.0 Bell_Beaker_NLD
46.0 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Barcelones
Distance: 3.2815% / 0.03281476
54.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
45.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Baleares
Distance: 4.2175% / 0.04217514
52.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
47.4 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Asturias
Distance: 4.7574% / 0.04757434
51.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
48.8 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Aragon
Distance: 3.5340% / 0.03533986
50.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
49.6 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 4.3382% / 0.04338248
50.2 Iberia_Southwest_MLN
49.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: Spanish_Alacant
Distance: 3.9519% / 0.03951942
52.0 Bell_Beaker_NLD
48.0 Iberia_Southwest_MLN

Bell_Beaker NLD clustering more Northern than modern Scandinavians, just saying.

Bellbeakers can be anything under the sun, never use Bellbeakers in ancient models, rookie mistake

[Adamastor]

...

You are wrong, you are using Iberomaurusian score in G25 samples to measure North African admxiture. But North Africans don't have only Iberomaurusian, they also score Sardinian and Levant-type of admixture. Actually they have more Sardinian than Iberomaurusian.

So the real North African admixture for someone scoring 5% Iberomaurusian considering that North Africans don't even have 40% of it is much higher. There is no way most Galicians, Extremadurans and Portuguese are only 5% North African. All peer-reviewed papers put them at 9-12%.


Answering the OP: Sicilian average is less North African than Iberia, but in Sicily you can find individuals with up to 20% North African admixture, in Iberia it's rare or even impossible, the most North African an Iberian can get is around 10-12% IMO.

[Cumansky]

Distance to: Bell_Beaker_NLD

0.03463511 Icelandic
0.03663791 Norwegian
0.03665182 Swedish
0.04043258 Orcadian
0.04054541 Irish
0.04144717 Scottish
0.04165060 Shetlandic
0.04191246 Dutch
0.04655772 English
0.04682025 Welsh
0.04984215 English_Cornwall
0.05172174 German
0.05199097 French_Brittany
0.05272974 German_East
0.05471590 Czech
0.06045254 Slovakian
0.06095871 Austrian
0.06202049 Finnish
0.06269363 Hungarian
0.06276326 Polish
0.06286551 Belgian
0.06666054 French_Nord
0.06688260 Ingrian
0.06759967 Ukrainian
0.06799847 Russian_Orel

Distance to: Iberia_Southwest_MLN
0.05798519 Sardinian
0.09376381 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.10063295 Basque_Spanish
0.10579225 Basque_French
0.10826317 French_South
0.10877696 Spanish_Navarra
0.10902770 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.10938071 Spanish_Castello
0.10964086 Spanish_Pirineu
0.11018070 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.11029499 Spanish_Aragon
0.11069855 Spanish_Murcia
0.11100177 Spanish_Valencia
0.11117651 Spanish_Cantabria
0.11201650 Spanish_Andalucia
0.11263158 Spanish_Menorca
0.11283650 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.11331921 French_Corsica
0.11351717 Spanish_Soria
0.11393565 Spanish_Cataluna
0.11456594 Spanish_Lleida
0.11465751 Spanish_Alacant
0.11484382 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.11530998 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.11591565 Spanish_Extremadura



You have just to use the scaled averages :

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F2r...SQNsmA-sl/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wZr...CQncZWb8y/view

I've made it one model rapidly, I think you can find even better sources for the Neolithic ancestry to improve the fit but that was not my objective here.

Lol all those modern samples are close with each other, Slovaks and Hungarians 1/4 Jewish

Look at their Eucliedean distance buddy is like 2-3% disparity

[Adamastor]

This Cumansky is a dumb troll btw.