Where does Ottoman Empire start

[Bosniensis]

So was there Romani people in the Byzantine Empire?

Why do modern Romani show up as Byzantine?

It's simple.

Not all Romani are Romani.

Some Romani are "romani" because their mother is Romani, and father being... Southern European for example.

Mortimer is Romani, but not through paternal line so he shows as "Byzantine" i.e. Serb + something.

Romani are Indian people who roamed through entire Europe, they had no properties etc...

They were present in late Roman Empire (Byzantine Empire) if we are talking about Christian Empire.

[tipirneni]

So was there Romani people in the Byzantine Empire?

Why do modern Romani show up as Byzantine?

There were Indian trading colonies in Mesopotamia, Syria, Armenia etc.. You still see some mtDNA & ydna evidence there. Later Romani migration probably used some of those places on the way

[Cumansky]

It's simple.

Not all Romani are Romani.

Some Romani are "romani" because their mother is Romani, and father being... Southern European for example.

Mortimer is Romani, but not through paternal line so he shows as "Byzantine" i.e. Serb + something.

Romani are Indian people who roamed through entire Europe, they had no properties etc...

They were present in late Roman Empire (Byzantine Empire) if we are talking about Christian Empire.

But Romani mixed those "Southern Europeans" in what era Ottoman or they were already mixing in Byzantine era

They are known as Ashkali in the Balkans..

[Cumansky]

There were Indian trading colonies in Mesopotamia, Syria, Armenia etc.. You still see some mtDNA & ydna evidence there. Later Romani migration probably used some of those places on the way

I heard in East Africa too, Pemba people or no?

[Bosniensis]

But Romani mixed those "Southern Europeans" in what era Ottoman or they were already mixing in Byzantine era

They are known as Ashkali in the Balkans..

I don't know, their history is very poorly documented, they are nomads and have no history unfortunately.

Beautiful Romani girl could steal the heart of any man, they are not lesser than we are, just nomads from India.

[Cumansky]

I don't know, their history is very poorly documented, they are nomads and have no history unfortunately.

Beautiful Romani girl could steal the heart of any man, they are not lesser than we are, just nomads from India.

I don't think their history is poor, even if less documented..

[tipirneni]

I heard in East Africa too, Pemba people or no?

East Africa there is no Indian influence. It might be other way round.

But Egypt has India like F1 clades, which might have been the ones from India or the old Europe ones