Continental ancestry of colonial latinos in the 40-65% euro range from Gedmatch

[Token]

A Brazilian with extra-East-Med (acquired through Italian and Lebanese ancestry) and ~20% SSA already starts to resemble North Africans genetically, look at this very interesting example (I think this guy looks Iraqi or Palestinian, I've seen his pics):


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 23.87
2 East_Med 21.64
3 Sub-Saharan 18.93
4 West_Med 17.17
5 Baltic 7.42
6 Red_Sea 3.43
7 West_Asian 3.27
8 Northeast_African 2.5
9 Amerindian 0.9
10 Oceanian 0.88

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mozabite_Berber 22.63
2 Algerian 22.96
3 Tunisian 23
4 West_Sicilian 23.26
5 Tuscan 23.53
6 North_Italian 24.78
7 Italian_Abruzzo 24.82
8 Greek_Thessaly 25.15
9 East_Sicilian 25.37
10 Ashkenazi 26.06
11 Moroccan 26.3
12 Central_Greek 26.3
13 Portuguese 26.37
14 South_Italian 26.41
15 Spanish_Extremadura 26.42
16 Spanish_Galicia 27.17
17 Spanish_Murcia 27.24
18 Algerian_Jewish 27.26
19 Bulgarian 27.4
20 Romanian 27.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79% Tuscan + 21% Mandenka @ 4.74
2 78.4% Tuscan + 21.6% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.75
3 78.2% Tuscan + 21.8% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.87
4 80.2% Tuscan + 19.8% Yoruban @ 5.03
5 77.4% Tuscan + 22.6% Biaka_Pygmy @ 5.6
6 76.5% Tuscan + 23.5% Luhya @ 6.53
7 76.2% Tuscan + 23.8% Bantu_N.E. @ 6.64
8 78.4% North_Italian + 21.6% Mandenka @ 6.82
9 77.8% North_Italian + 22.2% Bantu_S.W. @ 6.82
10 77.5% North_Italian + 22.5% Bantu_S.E. @ 6.88
11 79.7% North_Italian + 20.3% Yoruban @ 7.18
12 76.7% North_Italian + 23.3% Biaka_Pygmy @ 7.33
13 75.8% North_Italian + 24.2% Luhya @ 7.97
14 75.5% North_Italian + 24.5% Bantu_N.E. @ 7.99
15 79.8% West_Sicilian + 20.2% Mandenka @ 8
16 81% West_Sicilian + 19% Yoruban @ 8.07
17 79.3% West_Sicilian + 20.7% Bantu_S.W. @ 8.08
18 79% West_Sicilian + 21% Bantu_S.E. @ 8.18
19 76.4% Tuscan + 23.6% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 8.46
20 78.3% West_Sicilian + 21.7% Biaka_Pygmy @ 8.7

He has no Maghrebi ancestry, but the extra East-Med forced the oracle to find Maghrebis as his first populations (even if at considerable distances, given that he also has more North European than them).

A very interesting sample.

And he has barely any Amerindian, which is very weird.

[Erronkari]

Los estudios de esa compañía AncestryByDNA son tremendo fraude.
Todas salieron ambiguas e inverosímiles.
Además sólo separaba por continente, ni siquiera especificaba la región.
Una tremenda estafa.

[Peterski]

I cluster in the northern fringe of the German cluster in multiple analyses. So unless my German ancestry cluster with Norwegians (nearly impossible), Italian ancestry is out of question.

OMG stop lying about your ancestry and GEDmatch results...

You personally wrote that you are 1/4 North Italian and 1/4 Galician and Northern Portuguese:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4552325

Question: Brasileiros do fórum: Qual é sua ascendência?

Token's answer:

2/4 alemão (Baixa Saxônia), 1/4 norte italiano (Lombardia) e 1/4 ibérico (Galícia e Norte de Portugal).

How can you cluster with Saxons if you are just 1/2 Saxon?

"I'm Southern Brazilian and therefore Germanic!"

You should rather cluster with Southern Germans in reality.

[Skengdo]

Que es un indo-mestizo para ti y los demas?

Estoy interpretando el nombre estrictamente. Una persona predominantemente amerindia con unos cuantos rasgos europeos y nada de africano visible.

[Daven]

I don't know why you guys still debate about this phenotype shit. 'Amerindian influenced body type" LOL.

It's totally valid as a racial component does not always express itself in facial features or skin coloring but in bodyshape or height. It's something that I have mentioned before. I don't get your laughing matter.

[Rocinante]

La mayoría de la gente en rango bajo de europeidad tienen, aparte de su carga amerindia, normalmente parte negra y visible (hay divergencias, pero esto es así). Básicamente porque en Venezuela tampoco hay prácticamente negros o mulatos puros.

Luego hay ya mestizos-harnizos-castizos más o menos prototípicos (también con algo de parte minoritaria africana poco o nada visible, en muchos casos, pero pasables)

Entre indomestizos-amerindios-negros-mulatos-zambos (mulatos y zambos con tendencias triracialoides en su mayoría) habrá un 10% de población total en Venezuela. Y además estos grupos no solapan entre sí, los dos primeros están en el interior profundo (Delta Amacuro, el interior de Bolívar, Amazonas, quizás algún grupo suelto en los Llanos), los dos últimos en bolsones de la costa y en ciertos cerros de las ciudades de la zona central. Pero son anécdotas, más aún por separado.

Los venezolanos en general se dividen en 3 grupos: europeos-criollos (coloniales, emigrados del siglo XX, mezclas de ambos o con euro-mestizos), gente del espectro mestizo (mestizos, harnizos, castizos; con carga residual africana en muchos casos) y triraciales (aquí hay de muchos tipos)

Lo que pasa tambien es que es complicado hoy en dia saber quien tiene tanto de caucasico, tanto de afro o tanto de amerindio en alguien promedio de Venezuela, solo uno puede sacar conclusiones sobre ello, pero abajo hice una pregunta, que es un indo-mestizo para ustedes o si tiene en realidad un concepto en % exacto de mezcla.

[Skengdo]

It's totally valid as a racial component does not always express itself in facial features or skin coloring but in bodyshape or height. It's something that I have mentioned before. I don't get your laughing matter.

Body shapes, height, maxillar development and facial prominence are more a result of good balances of testosteron and estrogen in the sexes throughout specific periods in their lives than of their racial origins. Such primary traits aren't strictly racially dependent.

Diet, lifestyle and environment are also important. It's perfectly possible to shift the height of a population over the span of 3 generations. There are also countries which are inhabited by the same ethnic group which have different average heights.

Notable examples are both Koreas, or Somalis in Somalia vs. Kenya. Or the Dutch from the 19th century vs. the Dutch now.

[Token]

OMG stop lying about your ancestry and GEDmatch results...

You personally wrote that you are 1/4 North Italian and 1/4 Galician and Northern Portuguese:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4552325



How can you cluster with Saxons if you are just 1/2 Saxon?

I already told you I had no knowledge about my ancestry when I posted this. I didn't give a fuck about my ancestors before my parents died. Anyway, i don't owe you an explanation on my ancestry. You and others can believe I'm pardo if you want, I don't care in the slightest. I'm here to discuss genetics, not to build relationships.

[Peterski]

I already told you I had no knowledge about my ancestry when I posted this.

How can someone have no knowledge about the ethnicity of at least their four grandparents?

Sorry to hear about your parents, but you aren't adopted, so you should know your ethnicity.

I'm here [just] to discuss genetics, not to build relationships.

Yeah but your biases makes a discussion about genetics with you problematic.

For example you want to prove that everything is Germanic including yourself.

When you are 1/4 North Italian ("Longobard"?) and 1/4 Galician ("Suebian"?).

[Daven]

You are only right partially about the body part and all that. But okay, I disgress.

Y Larry David? Qué tan nativo se ve? De acuerdo a esos mismos estudios es incluso más nativo que George Lopez y Mario.

El problema ahí fue que puso unos estudios bastante desactualizados y fraudulentos como patadas de ahogado para acertar su punto.

Esos tests de DNA de George y Mario son conocidos y por eso los puse. Que a ti no te gustaron es otra cosa. Aquí mismo en el tema estuvieron hablando del ejemplo extremo de 2 brasileñas haciéndolo ver como si fuera la regla y tú y el otro no dijeron nada. Ustedes parece que son muy acomplejados. Decidieron llevarlo al plano personal tú y el tal Helloguys. Las respuestas de Argentano hasta risa me dieron. Nada que ver. LOL. Pero okay, buena por ustedes.