Continental ancestry of colonial latinos in the 40-65% euro range from Gedmatch

[alnortedelsur]

Brazil has 20% SSA and I think we have more mulattos than Venezuela.

I think Brazil and Venezuela have similar overall African input. But then Brazil is more European and less Amerindian than Venezuela.

[Adamastor]

Carlitos you are using horn of africa as a very SSA region When in reality many places in horn of africa score only between 2-10% SSA in eurogenes k15.

They score at least 60% SSA, Northeast African is SSA, may not be Bantu-like, but still more prevalent in Subsaharan populations than in non-Subsaharan populations. The only non Subsaharans with non-noise amounts of this component are North Africans, Egyptians, Levantines, Iberians, Sephardic/Ashkenazi Jews and South Italians. Even Greeks, North Italians and Balkanians generally don't score any Northeast African, unless they have Jewish admixture (Jews have a lot, some even 5-6%).

It's more than known in peer-reviewed genetic studies that Somalis are 50% Bantu-like and 50% Saudi-like (Saudi Arabian already includes 10% SSA). You guys should decide what you consider SSA, when modelling Latin Americans Northeast African is SSA but when arguing that Ethiopians and Somalis are only 10% SSA (lol) it becomes Caucasian.

Even some linguistically Bantu groups like Tutsis can have pseudo-Caucasoid looking individuals, like Rwandan president Paul Kagame:



Tutsis have West Eurasian related ancestry, but Nilotes haven't and that's how they look:



They have some stereotypical ''SSA'' looking people as well, but they are extremely varied. Actually Subsaharan Africans are diverse phenotypically as well, we lump them all as ''blacks'' but they have diverse facial and body shapes. I remember Grab the Gauge trolling once posting ''Nordic Negroids''.

Yoruba woman from Nigeria:



Khoisan people:



Chadic peoples:




These people look nothing alike apart from having dark skin. I remember some anthropologists like Italian Renato Biasutti wrote that any type of skull and body shape can be found in Africa.

Even someone like Zinedine Zidane, who looks whiter than 95% of Latin Americans, is part of African diversity (and would score at least 20% ''SSA'' or supposedly non-Eurasian related African ancestry):




You can't even come with the bullshit that Amerindians are phenotypically diverse as well because it may be true visually, but it's not true genetically, all Amerindians descend from a closely related Paleolithic population while ''SSAs'' have immense distance in oracles even to neighbouring groups.

I think the ''negrophobia'' in this forum is pathetic.

[Adamastor]

And he has barely any Amerindian, which is very weird.

His Amerindian may very well be noise, we cannot trust completely in GEDmatch for percentages. It's not impossible to lack or to have very little (1-2%) Amerindian in Brazil. This guy actually scored 17% SSA and 83% European/MENA on FTDNA, but GEDmatch puts him at 20-21% SSA.

I wonder that if Portuguese were genetically South Italian and had done a better job at annihilating Amerindians (not that I want that to have happened, it's just an hypothesis), if many Brazilians wouldn't be similar to Northwest African Berber groups nowadays.

[samario]

So, what is the truth?

Is Northeast Africa SSA or not? Africans from the Horn of Africa certainly can have a strikingly different look from SSA Africans.

Does 23AndMe lump SSA and Northeast African together? Probably they do.

[samario]

Who is more Caucasian? Northwestern South Asians or Cushites? Northwestern South Asians in my opinion.

[Cumansky]

So, what is the truth?

Is Northeast Africa SSA or not? Africans from the Horn of Africa certainly can have a strikingly different look from SSA Africans.

Does 23AndMe lump SSA and Northeast African together? Probably they do.

Northeast Africa in calculators is SSA

[Cumansky]

They score at least 60% SSA, Northeast African is SSA, may not be Bantu-like, but still more prevalent in Subsaharan populations than in non-Subsaharan populations. The only non Subsaharans with non-noise amounts of this component are North Africans, Egyptians, Levantines, Iberians, Sephardic/Ashkenazi Jews and South Italians. Even Greeks, North Italians and Balkanians generally don't score any Northeast African, unless they have Jewish admixture (Jews have a lot, some even 5-6%).

It's more than known in peer-reviewed genetic studies that Somalis are 50% Bantu-like and 50% Saudi-like (Saudi Arabian already includes 10% SSA). You guys should decide what you consider SSA, when modelling Latin Americans Northeast African is SSA but when arguing that Ethiopians and Somalis are only 10% SSA (lol) it becomes Caucasian.

Even some linguistically Bantu groups like Tutsis can have pseudo-Caucasoid looking individuals, like Rwandan president Paul Kagame:



Tutsis have West Eurasian related ancestry, but Nilotes haven't and that's how they look:



They have some stereotypical ''SSA'' looking people as well, but they are extremely varied. Actually Subsaharan Africans are diverse phenotypically as well, we lump them all as ''blacks'' but they have diverse facial and body shapes. I remember Grab the Gauge trolling once posting ''Nordic Negroids''.

Yoruba woman from Nigeria:



Khoisan people:



Chadic peoples:




These people look nothing alike apart from having dark skin. I remember some anthropologists like Italian Renato Biasutti wrote that any type of skull and body shape can be found in Africa.

Even someone like Zinedine Zidane, who looks whiter than 95% of Latin Americans, is part of African diversity (and would score at least 20% ''SSA'' or supposedly non-Eurasian related African ancestry):




You can't even come with the bullshit that Amerindians are phenotypically diverse as well because it may be true visually, but it's not true genetically, all Amerindians descend from a closely related Paleolithic population while ''SSAs'' have immense distance in oracles even to neighbouring groups.

I think the ''negrophobia'' in this forum is pathetic.

Bantu people migrated from Phut (Ancient Libya) and mixed with local Africans, they have Hamitic bone structure sometimes usually washed out after many generations

[Adamastor]

So, what is the truth?

Is Northeast Africa SSA or not? Africans from the Horn of Africa certainly can have a strikingly different look from SSA Africans.

Does 23AndMe lump SSA and Northeast African together? Probably they do.

23andme doesn't include what GEDmatch calls Northeast African as ''SSA'' because Iberians, Jews, Levantines and South Italians also score it. 23andme and GEDmatch calculators use different methods to estimate ancestry (that's why North Africans are only 1% SSA there), so they may come with different results, these peoples generally don't come with any SSA or score around 1% on 23andme. But in GEDmatch they score some Northeast African and actual Subsaharian.
NEAfr percentages:

Calabrian:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 32.30
2 West_Med 17.20
3 West_Asian 16.28
4 Atlantic 12.09
5 North_Sea 8.30
6 Red_Sea 5.89
7 Baltic 4.07
8 Northeast_African 2.87
9 Southeast_Asian 0.79
10 Oceanian 0.30

Sephardic Jew:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 31.21
2 West_Med 17.59
3 Atlantic 16.44
4 West_Asian 13.11
5 Red_Sea 10.32
6 North_Sea 4.24
7 Baltic 3.17
8 Northeast_African 2.09
9 Southeast_Asian 1.41
10 Siberian 0.24
11 South_Asian 0.2

Riffian (Northern Moroccan):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.95
2 West_Med 21.85
3 Atlantic 15.46
4 Red_Sea 15.42
5 Northeast_African 11.65
6 Sub-Saharan 11.53
7 Amerindian 0.13
8 Southeast_Asian 0.01

Medieval Iberia (probably part-Moorish):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 31.8
2 West_Med 27.81
3 East_Med 17.36
4 Baltic 7.57
5 Red_Sea 7.39
6 Northeast_African 4.31
7 Sub-Saharan 1.4
8 Amerindian 0.9
9 West_Asian 0.55
10 Siberian 0.44
11 Oceanian 0.28
12 East_Asian 0.19

Portuguese (one of Argentano's kits):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 33.37
2 West_Med 19.38
3 East_Med 12.9
4 North_Sea 11.52
5 Baltic 7.36
6 Red_Sea 4.85
7 West_Asian 3.67
8 Northeast_African 3.2
9 Amerindian 1.32
10 Eastern_Euro 1.29
11 Sub-Saharan 1.15

[Skengdo]

I think the ''negrophobia'' in this forum is pathetic.

No need to go further away. Just look at the amount of bullshit terms "caucasoid" classifications have: nordid, tronder, hallstat, east med, atlanto med, alpinid, dinarid, armenid, iranid, pamirid, pontid, taurid etc etc... while Africans are just lumped as "congoid", "bantuid", "niloid", etc...

However posting somalis, chadians and all that is far beyond the topic here. New world people do not descend at all from such populations. This would be similar to someone from the opposing side posting Koreans, Afghans, North Caucasians or even Saamis to prove a point. It would be irrelevant. Whose idea it was to start posting somalis anyway?

[luc2112]

Even someone like Zinedine Zidane, who looks whiter than 95% of Latin Americans, is part of African diversity (and would score at least 20% ''SSA'' or supposedly non-Eurasian related African ancestry):

Who said that, where do you get this invisible SSA-Bantu? He is north african

I think the ''negrophobia'' in this forum is pathetic.

Being a descendant of the Bantus, the ugliest and dumbest black in Africa makes anyone crazy.