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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    The East Eurasian average in the kits I posted would be around 1.5% and SSA +Northeast African around 3.5%, it's significant noise, 5%. And they are representative.

    It's irrelevant for big percentages, I agree, but relevant for people scoring in the 90s or around. Let's say a Cuban with 3 Canarian grandparents is exactly 90% Canarian and 10% SSA. He would be 20% SSA in GEDmatch (Canarians have high SSA due to North African admixture and all Maghrebis are 20% SSA in K15/K13 that's why Canarians are 5-10%). It's a considerable difference IMO. The same way for some guy who is, let's say, 3.8% Amerindian and scored those bullshitic East Asian and Siberian percentages. He could end up being 7% ''Amerindian''.

    I mean, I'm not making things up. Davidski himself admits it, he is the fucking creator of all those calculators. Mail him if you want, he is accessible.
    Could you please summarize your point? is what i presumed in my last post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    Could you please summarize your point? is what i presumed in my last post?
    I think GEDmatch calculators aren't the best tools to estimate % of ancestry in Latin Americans because they open too much room for noise. They are not developed for that by the way.

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    y otra cosa, acaso no viene el porcentaje del individuo ideal según oriren en gedmatch? de ahí podéis sacar las proporciones ideales , no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    I think GEDmatch calculators aren't the best tools to estimate % of ancestry in Latin Americans because they open too much room for noise. They are not developed for that by the way.
    Maybe you are right.Latin Americans are very mixed and calculators in gedmatch are quite specific for Europe, Asia etc, but maybe not for mixed people.

    Is there another better tool for this purpose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    Maybe you are right.Latin Americans are very mixed and calculators in gedmatch are quite specific for Europe, Asia etc, but maybe not for mixed people.

    Is there another better tool for this purpose?
    Yeah, nMonte using G25. Also, I think commercial tests are more reliable for true percentages in Latin Americans. GEDmatch is already quite outdated even for Europeans. North Italians, for example, have immense distances in K13/K15 because they have just one fucking sample for North Italy. When someone has distances of 10-11 for his first population (like many Venetians) without being mixed you know that calculator isn't exactly the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    Average of this 14 samples is 1,902, if I add my k13 would be 1,775.

    What is the ponit of this?

    West Iberia , Galicia and Portugal score usually more Northafrican and middle East always, and Canary Islands were originally populated by Guanches, who were ethnically Northafricans.
    jaja exacto, de 500 resultados agarran 2 que tengan 0.5% siberian y te dicen que gedmatch no sirve por ese dato. Esta bordeando lo absurdo ya esta conversacion.

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    By the way, one of the reasons why Maghrebis were coming out 20-25% SSA in GEDmatch is because those calculators lack Iberomaurusian samples, that are extremely important to model North Africans. At the same time, they just have a dumb and unique ''SSA'' component for all of Sub-Saharan Africa, the most diverse region in the whole world.

    Defending GEDmatch as an amazing tool at this point is very naive IMO. The creator of K13/K15 himself abandoned the platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    Se supone que quiere relacionar el Siberian a Iberia, y para demostrarlo relaciona el SSA Ibérico habitual con el Siberian Ibérico promedio?

    Tú por el contrario relacionas el Siberian con la procedencia asiática?

    No hay forma de discriminar de donde viene el Siberian, por movimientos de población tendría más lógica pensar que tu opción es más acertada, pero tampoco es mala idea de hacer lo que hace él para tener una idea del aporte de Siberian de la parte Europea.

    En mi caso tengo SSA pero no Siberian, pero tampoco yo soy medida de nada siendo un solo individuo.
    Lo que dice Adamastor es que como un azoriano o un canario puede salir por ejemplo 3% North east African y 3% SSA , entonces un brasilero o cubano en ese rango no deberia tomarse como un individuo de raza mixta. Y es verdad. Pero el tema es que el 90% de los latinos de gedmatch no estan en ese rango azoriano o canario. El 90% de latinos caribeños o brasileros de gedmatch tienen % de SSA/NEA que no podrian verse en un canario o azoriano, por lo cual no me parece que este dato tenga que invalidar todo le trabajo que hice.

    Y sin mencionar que en este thread solo puse latinos en el rango 45-65% euro con lo cual mas que seguro el NEA/SSA es real. Que un canario salga 3% SSA no tiene ninguna importancia cundo los cubanos posteados en este thread son 30-50% SSA.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    The East Eurasian average in the kits I posted would be around 1.5% and SSA +Northeast African around 3.5%, it's significant noise, 5%. And they are representative.

    It's irrelevant for big percentages, I agree, but relevant for people scoring in the 90s or around. Let's say a Cuban with 3 Canarian grandparents is exactly 90% Canarian and 10% SSA. He would be 20% SSA in GEDmatch (Canarians have high SSA due to North African admixture and all Maghrebis are 20% SSA in K15/K13 that's why Canarians are 5-10%). It's a considerable difference IMO. The same way for some guy who is, let's say, 3.8% Amerindian and scored those bullshitic East Asian and Siberian percentages. He could end up being 7% ''Amerindian''.

    I mean, I'm not making things up. Davidski himself admits it, he is the fucking creator of all those calculators. Mail him if you want, he is accessible.
    But whats the point in saying that when all latinos posted in this Thread are between 45-65% european? Most of the non white in this latinos is real amerindian/SSA. So whats the point of saying that in this thread?


    most cubans posted in this thread for example are like 40% SSA



    This mestizos/pardos posted in this thread are around 50% European so if an iberian is 2% SSA or 3% SSA, only 1/1.5% of the SSA could be "iberian". Its irrelevant.

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    all this over irrelevant less than 1% SSA in Iberians? smh damn
    a Cuban with 3 Canarian grandparents or even all 4 grandparents will be easily to tell apart from a Cuban with black African ancestry
    how? the Northeast African will be higher in the Cuban with all 4 Canarian grandparents and have minor SSA
    while the Cuban with most black African ancestry will have higher SSA and minor Northeastern African

    the same way North Africans come out scoring and also Canarians, that is how you know whose black ancestry is ancient (Canarians), and whose is more recent (black admixed Latinos)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post

    But whats the point in saying that when all latinos posted in this Thread are between 45-65% european? Most of the non white in this latinos is real amerindian/SSA. So whats the point of saying that in this thread?


    most cubans posted in this thread for example are like 40% SSA
    Well, yeah, I agree that my observations are not significant in those levels, from 40% to 42% SSA there's barely any difference, but we should take GEDmatch results with a grain of salt anyway. The tool is very old and even if it can show some interesting tendencies, it's still not designed for that. I like your work, I'm just pointing the problems with GEDmatch; there are better calculators right now.

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