Post Vahaduo "Eurogenes K13 updated" results

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 02-17-2020, 03:56 PM

Apparently there are some great references there, especially for Romanians, Bulgarians, Greeks, Croats and Turks. There are also Balkan Vlachs.

Calculator: http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm

Instructions: http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/howtouse.htm

Me and my family's results:

Distances

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**~~Bosniensis~~** · 02-17-2020, 03:59 PM

Target: Bosniensis
Distance: 1.2092% / 1.20920291 | ADC: 0.25x
85.4 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
10.8 Romanian_Transylvania
1.4 Austroasiatic_Ho
1.2 Macedonian
1.0 Trentino
0.2 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator

Target: Bosniensis
Distance: 0.4460% / 0.44604707
18.0 Macedonian_Greece
13.6 Macedonian_Southwest
13.2 South_Polish
11.4 Austrian
10.8 Pomak_Plovdiv
10.4 Macedonian_North
6.8 Lithuanian
5.4 East_German
2.8 AostaValley
2.2 Southeast_English

2.19214507 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
2.50056534 Serbian_new
2.84956137 Serb_Croatia
3.73076525 Bosnian
4.03687998 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
4.13136781 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
4.22748152 Bulgarian_Pleven
4.35515069 Serbian_Bosnia
4.37141853 Croat_Split
4.67634980 Montenegrin
4.79076194 Romanian_Transylvania
4.86016461 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
4.92707824 Szekely
5.30477144 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.94319779 Bulgarian_Sofia
6.05877308 Croat_Bosnia
6.07240480 Romanian_Oltenia
6.24093445 Macedonian
6.32315586 Romanian_Botosani
6.79759516 Csango_Gymes
7.29692401 Moldavian
7.51780553 Macedonian_Northwest
7.92585642 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
8.17282693 Pomak_Plovdiv
8.20399902 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 02-17-2020, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Bosniensis

Target: Bosniensis

2.19214507 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
2.50056534 Serbian_new
2.84956137 Serb_Croatia
3.73076525 Bosnian

Morlachs (Serbo-Croatian: Morlaci, Crni Vlasi, Cyrilic: Морлаци) has been an exonym used for a rural Christian community in Herzegovina, Lika and the Dalmatian Hinterland. The term was initially used for a Vlach pastoralist community in the mountains of Croatia in the second half of the 14th until the early 16th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlachs

**~~Bosniensis~~** · 02-17-2020, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Morlachs (Serbo-Croatian: Morlaci, Crni Vlasi, Cyrilic: Морлаци) has been an exonym used for a rural Christian community in Herzegovina, Lika and the Dalmatian Hinterland. The term was initially used for a Vlach pastoralist community in the mountains of Croatia in the second half of the 14th until the early 16th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlachs

Yes those are assimilated ex romance dalmatians, now fully identified as Serbs or Croats.

Predojević katun Vlachs (my Vlachs) are also that kind

**Jana** · 02-17-2020, 04:15 PM

Target: Feiichy
Distance: 2.5682% / 2.56824282 | ADC: 0.25x

78.0 Slovenian
10.0 East_German
6.6 North_Ossetian
4.4 Austrian
1.0 Serb_North-Macedonia

Distance to: Feiichy

4.75888632 Slovenian
5.42747006 Croat_Bosnia
5.82009450 Hungarian
6.07740076 Croatian
6.25105591 Moldavian
6.25642869 Croat_Split
6.39701493 Kaykavian_Croatian
6.67552152 Serbian_Bosnia
6.73746985 Szekely
6.81097644 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina

**Jana** · 02-17-2020, 04:16 PM

K13 captures my German admixture really well, I should be around 16% based on paper trial and here I get 14,5% (East German + Austrian)
My German part is West German though (Hessen + Alsace)

**Kaspias** · 02-17-2020, 04:21 PM

Distance to: FTDNA
3.36425326 Turk_Komotini
3.87498387 Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain
6.71866802 Turk_Kardzhali-Mountaineer
7.25914596 Turk_Kardzhali-West
7.71193231 Turk_Stara-Zagora
7.72999353 Turk_Drama
8.45941487 Pomak_Drama
8.48067804 Turk_Kardzhali-East
9.20743178 Turk_Razgrad
9.39252362 Turk_Dobrich
9.42547612 Turk_Edirne
9.59017727 Pomak_Komotini
9.85007107 Turk_N-Macedonia
9.98820805 Turk_Kazanlik
10.11377279 Turk_Kavala
10.54157483 Macedonian_Southeast
10.80916741 Turk_Thessaloniki
10.96909142 GR_Macedonia
11.09231716 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
11.11358178 Pomak_Nevrokopi
11.11791347 Turk_Alexandroupoli
11.16487910 Bulgarian_Thrace
11.19363212 Macedonian_Greece
11.43537931 Turk_Crete
11.64255986 Turk_Burgas

Distance to: 23andMe
5.85948803 Turk_Xanthi
6.22560037 Turk_Komotini
7.58321172 Turk_Targovishte
7.62603436 Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain
8.34092321 Pomak_Drama
8.63572232 Turk_Drama
8.86670175 Turk_Thessaloniki
9.18457402 Turk_Dobrich
9.56970263 Bulgarian_Thrace
9.67972107 Turk_N-Macedonia
9.74955384 Pomak_Komotini
9.75042050 Turk_Razgrad
9.83455134 Turk_Kazanlik
9.86634177 Macedonian_Greece
10.02340594 GR_Macedonia
10.02372685 Turk_Kardzhali-West
10.46229420 Turk_Stara-Zagora
10.56396706 Pomak_Nevrokopi
10.58694007 Greek_Northern-Thrace
10.65409311 Pomak_Xanthi
10.78325554 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
10.83836704 Turk_Crete
10.99749972 Greek_Thessaloniki
11.03691533 Turk_Alexandroupoli
11.08176881 Turk_Kardzhali-Mountaineer

Target: FTDNA
Distance: 1.6722% / 1.67215164 | ADC: 0.25x
67.4 Turk_Komotini
10.0 Pomak_Drama
9.4 Pomak_Kavala
7.4 Turk_Dobruja-Tatar
5.8 Pomak_Xanthi

Target: FTDNA
Distance: 2.3487% / 2.34872546 | ADC: 0.5x
74.4 Turk_Komotini
8.0 Pomak_Drama
6.0 Pomak_Kavala
4.8 Turk_Kardzhali-West
3.2 Turk_Dobruja-Tatar
2.4 Turk_Razgrad
1.2 Pomak_Xanthi

Target: FTDNA
Distance: 3.3627% / 3.36274859 | ADC: 1x
85.8 Turk_Komotini
10.0 Turk_Kardzhali-West
4.2 Turk_Drama

Target: FTDNA
Distance: 4.0023% / 4.00227435 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Turk_Komotini

Target: 23andMe
Distance: 2.8183% / 2.81830238 | ADC: 0.25x
50.2 Turk_Komotini
47.4 Pomak_Xanthi
2.4 Karakalpak

Target: 23andMe
Distance: 3.1567% / 3.15669783 | ADC: 0.5x
68.8 Turk_Komotini
31.2 Pomak_Xanthi

Target: 23andMe
Distance: 3.7135% / 3.71346043 | ADC: 1x
78.4 Turk_Komotini
21.6 Pomak_Xanthi

Target: 23andMe
Distance: 6.2256% / 6.22560037 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Turk_Komotini

**Ljubic** · 02-17-2020, 04:25 PM

Target: LjubicGreatuncle
Distance: 2.3567% / 2.35666697 | ADC: 0.25x
47.0 Bosniak_Tuzla
25.2 Pomak_Plovdiv
17.0 Serbian_Bosnia
10.8 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: LjubicGreatuncle
4.07580514 Serbian_Bosnia
4.35325166 Croat_Split
4.50846647 Serbian_new
4.73970463 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
5.15083488 Serb_Croatia
5.26377963 Bosnian
5.60400582 Croat_Bosnia
6.24785563 Bulgarian_Pleven
6.28034235 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
6.71654673 Szekely
6.90442612 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
7.09416662 Bosniak_Tuzla
7.48308760 Csango_Gymes
7.67823169 Slovenian

**Thracian** · 02-17-2020, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

Distance to: FTDNA
3.36425326 Turk_Komotini
3.87498387 Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain
6.71866802 Turk_Kardzhali-Mountaineer
7.25914596 Turk_Kardzhali-West
7.71193231 Turk_Stara-Zagora
7.72999353 Turk_Drama
8.45941487 Pomak_Drama
8.48067804 Turk_Kardzhali-East
9.20743178 Turk_Razgrad
9.39252362 Turk_Dobrich
9.42547612 Turk_Edirne
9.59017727 Pomak_Komotini
9.85007107 Turk_N-Macedonia
9.98820805 Turk_Kazanlik
10.11377279 Turk_Kavala
10.54157483 Macedonian_Southeast
10.80916741 Turk_Thessaloniki
10.96909142 GR_Macedonia
11.09231716 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
11.11358178 Pomak_Nevrokopi
11.11791347 Turk_Alexandroupoli
11.16487910 Bulgarian_Thrace
11.19363212 Macedonian_Greece
11.43537931 Turk_Crete
11.64255986 Turk_Burgas

Distance to: 23andMe
5.85948803 Turk_Xanthi
6.22560037 Turk_Komotini
7.58321172 Turk_Targovishte
7.62603436 Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain
8.34092321 Pomak_Drama
8.63572232 Turk_Drama
8.86670175 Turk_Thessaloniki
9.18457402 Turk_Dobrich
9.56970263 Bulgarian_Thrace
9.67972107 Turk_N-Macedonia
9.74955384 Pomak_Komotini
9.75042050 Turk_Razgrad
9.83455134 Turk_Kazanlik
9.86634177 Macedonian_Greece
10.02340594 GR_Macedonia
10.02372685 Turk_Kardzhali-West
10.46229420 Turk_Stara-Zagora
10.56396706 Pomak_Nevrokopi
10.58694007 Greek_Northern-Thrace
10.65409311 Pomak_Xanthi
10.78325554 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
10.83836704 Turk_Crete
10.99749972 Greek_Thessaloniki
11.03691533 Turk_Alexandroupoli
11.08176881 Turk_Kardzhali-Mountaineer

Target: FTDNA
Distance: 1.6722% / 1.67215164 | ADC: 0.25x
67.4 Turk_Komotini
10.0 Pomak_Drama
9.4 Pomak_Kavala
7.4 Turk_Dobruja-Tatar
5.8 Pomak_Xanthi

Target: FTDNA
Distance: 2.3487% / 2.34872546 | ADC: 0.5x
74.4 Turk_Komotini
8.0 Pomak_Drama
6.0 Pomak_Kavala
4.8 Turk_Kardzhali-West
3.2 Turk_Dobruja-Tatar
2.4 Turk_Razgrad
1.2 Pomak_Xanthi

Target: FTDNA
Distance: 3.3627% / 3.36274859 | ADC: 1x
85.8 Turk_Komotini
10.0 Turk_Kardzhali-West
4.2 Turk_Drama

Target: FTDNA
Distance: 4.0023% / 4.00227435 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Turk_Komotini

Target: 23andMe
Distance: 2.8183% / 2.81830238 | ADC: 0.25x
50.2 Turk_Komotini
47.4 Pomak_Xanthi
2.4 Karakalpak

Target: 23andMe
Distance: 3.1567% / 3.15669783 | ADC: 0.5x
68.8 Turk_Komotini
31.2 Pomak_Xanthi

Target: 23andMe
Distance: 3.7135% / 3.71346043 | ADC: 1x
78.4 Turk_Komotini
21.6 Pomak_Xanthi

Target: 23andMe
Distance: 6.2256% / 6.22560037 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Turk_Komotini

Did you try without Turks from Balkans? I think something is wrong with Macedonian_Southeast, this sample is closer to Turk from Kavala.

**Kaspias** · 02-17-2020, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Thracian

Did you try without Turks from Balkans? I think something is wrong with Macedonian_Southeast, this sample is closer to Turk from Kavala.

Hmm.. I'm not sure, i think it may be just similar admixture? Balkan(or Greco)-Slav. Kavala sample have not much East Eurasian.

Without Balkan Turks

Target: FTDNA
Distance: 2.5923% / 2.59232541 | ADC: 0.25x
39.8 Pomak_Drama
21.2 Afghan_Turkmen
15.2 Pomak_Xanthi
12.6 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
8.6 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
2.4 Turk_South
0.2 Greek_Istanbul

Target: FTDNA
Distance: 4.1005% / 4.10047582 | ADC: 0.5x
82.6 Pomak_Drama
15.0 Afghan_Turkmen
2.4 Turk_North_West

Target: FTDNA
Distance: 6.6726% / 6.67256492 | ADC: 1x
93.6 Pomak_Drama
5.0 Afghan_Turkmen
1.4 Turk_North_West

Target: FTDNA
Distance: 8.4594% / 8.45941487 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Pomak_Drama

Target: 23andme
Distance: 2.7845% / 2.78449423 | ADC: 0.25x
55.4 Pomak_Xanthi
18.8 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
15.2 Afghan_Turkmen
7.4 Turk_Cypriot
1.8 Greek_Andros_Island
1.4 Turkmen_Uzbekistan

Target: 23andme
Distance: 4.6920% / 4.69198243 | ADC: 0.5x
44.4 Pomak_Xanthi
33.2 Pomak_Drama
9.0 GR_Peloponese
6.4 Afghan_Turkmen
4.8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.2 Turk_North_West

Target: 23andme
Distance: 7.8851% / 7.88514401 | ADC: 1x
86.6 Pomak_Drama
13.4 Pomak_Xanthi

Target: 23andme
Distance: 8.3409% / 8.34092321 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Pomak_Drama