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    https://southslavsdna.blogspot.com/2...migration.html

    In the previous and multi-disciplinary post, "South Slavic origin and I2a-Dinaric South (PH908)", it was concluded that the main movement of the Slavs to Southeastern Europe was from an area in Eastern Europe, roughly Eastern Carpathians and Western Ukraine. In regard to genetic studies results that were primarily based on the frequency and variance of contemporary populations, this post will have a different approach. Considering the conclusion that the haplogroup I-PH908 arrived in the Early Middle Ages from the North, it will be a synthesis of the countries of origin of the I-PH908 subclades found at the YFull YTree v7.09.00 and Y-Haplogroup I2a Project (including a post from 14 October 2019) at FTDNA. The information will be used to make a simplified draft tree, approximately visually localize them North of Southeastern Europe, and presume the subclades movement to Southeastern Europe. However, it is emphasized that the information is based on a very limited and biased number of samples who made NGS test and does not necessarily reflect reality.

    DYS561=15:

    0) I-PH908*: "Czech Republic", "Germany", "Latvia", Poland, Russia etc.

    1) A356/Z16983*: "Hungary", "Poland", Albania, Serbia, United States
    * Y110105*: Germany
    ** Y97246: Russian Federation/Finland
    *** BY188785: Czech Republic, Poland
    * A493*: Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, "Croatia", "Germany", "Greece", "Montenegro", "Serbia", Slovakia, "Ukraine", USA
    ** Y6651/Y6652: Czech Republic
    ** BY169115: Italy, Serbia
    ** A8740/A8741*: Germany, "Poland"
    *** Y59865: United States



    2) A5913/A5914*: Croatia, 2x Central or Eastern Europe
    * A22312*: Montenegro
    ** BY154460/BY152858: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro
    * A16863: Finland, Russian Federation, Ukraine



    3) Y32084
    * Y140541: Bulgaria, Greece
    * PH3310/A14301*: Ukraine
    ** A20333: Kosovo, Ukraine
    *** FT14649: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia
    ** PH1012/PH3314: Serbia



    4) Y84307/BY87256*5+SNPs: Croatia



    5) FT168731*7+SNPs: Kazakhstan

    6) BY198275: Poland
    * P41.2/M359.2



    DYS561=16

    0) I-PH908*: Bulgaria, Montenegro, Germany, "Poland", "Ukraine", Serbia etc.

    1) FT16449*: "Bosnia and Herzegovina", Bulgaria, Montenegro, Russian Federation
    * Y126296: Bosnia and Herzegovina
    ** Y81557: Serbia
    *** Y99196: Croatia
    * BY173308: Bosnia and Herzegovina
    * FT138628: Bulgaria, Serbia
    * Y99608: Germany, Poland
    * Y151633
    ** FT33812: United States (Croatia)
    ** BY169079: Bosnia and Herzegovina
    *** Y144303
    **** Y144305: Austria, Croatia
    **** A22770/BY170155: Croatia



    2) BY97555/Y51673*3+SNPs: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Slovakia



    3) FT14506*: Hungary, Bosnia and Herzegovina
    * A13912*: Bulgaria
    ** A13907*/Y30729*/BY37511*: Croatia, "Hungary"
    *** BY106777: Croatia
    * BY135769/BY14506: Poland (Galicia), Russian Federation
    * FT41224
    ** Y52621: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Moldova, Serbia
    ** BY191170/BY191770: Croatia
    *** BY189804: Bulgaria
    * Y56203*: Poland (Galicia), Montenegro
    ** Y134603/Y134578: Montenegro, Serbia



    When all the maps are merged it indicates that there's a higher variance of I-PH908 subclades in Eastern Europe than in Central Europe and that from Eastern Europe migrated in the direction of West and South. The most if not all subclades arrived in Southeastern Europe from Eastern Europe, roughly along the area of Eastern Carpathian Mountains and through Carpathian Basin, most probably during the period of Pannonian Avars and revolts against them by Slavs and Bulgars by the mid-7th century. It is not excluded a possibility of a very limited Polabian Slavic contribution (only for subclades Z16983 and FT16449). The samples belonging to currently unknown subclades are also largely from the countries in Eastern Europe, while in Southeastern Europe particularly Bulgaria, which also indicates the movement's direction. The result supports the conclusions from the previous post.


    A merged map with arrows of migration and subclades list


    Presumed movement of the Slavs along the edges of Carpathians, and through Moravian Gate in the West, considering geographical relief but assuming it was only through lowlands and excluding all mountain passes (e.g. Verecke Pass)

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    Throw this thread in the garbage lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cumansky View Post
    Throw this thread in the garbage lol
    Your input isn't needed, imbecile. You have absolutely nothing to do with PH908.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Your input isn't needed, imbecile. You have absolutely nothing to do with PH908.
    Fuckoff you don't have any Y-DNA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cumansky View Post
    Fuckoff you don't have any Y-DNA
    My father is PH908. Fuck off from my thread ugly Goblin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    My father is PH908. Fuck off from my thread ugly Goblin.
    Your Father look like birthdefect Austrian same as you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cumansky View Post
    Your Father look like birthdefect Austrian same as you
    You look like British working class with 80 IQ and pig face. Ugly as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    You look like British working class with 80 IQ and pig face. Ugly as hell.
    Ok you got me

    I2 is Vlach

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    I am currently in process of determining PH908 subclade for my paternal side, if there is any. So far, they are negative for A356/Z16983 SNP. I ordered DYS561 from yseq for 9 USD, and when I get value for that STR marker we will see what is next. Serbian member of Croatian forum is helping me with that matter. He seems quite knowledgable on this.

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    Thank you for sharing, will need to make an update soon. Y84307 has six other defining SNPs to test BY87256, Y93273, Y101738, Y106341, Y107377, Y112550. Six out of 7 can be ordered at YSeq Shop.

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