Not a troll thread, but south Italians are now proven to be closer to middle east?

[Karol Klačansky]

I really don't mean this as a troll thread but I was just in Southern Italy and was reading up on the latest studies on their genetics. It's seems to be a concensus now that South Italians are closer related to Levantine populations than to other western European populations? This is surprising to me

[Armenian Bishop]

Strangely, 23andMe misidentified much of my Armenian DNA Composition as Italian (several years ago). The error was corrected a little over a year ago, but it got me thinking. I mean: What sort of similarities in the DNA sources could've caused them to land 55% of my DNA Composition in Italy? Currently I've still got about 20% in Italy, but the remaining 35% was reclassified as Armenian.

[Lucas]

Strangely, 23andMe misidentified much of my Armenian DNA Composition as Italian (several years ago). The error was corrected a little over a year ago, but it got me thinking. I mean: What sort of similarities in the DNA sources could've caused them to land 55% of my DNA Composition in Italy? Currently I've still got about 20% in Italy, but the remaining 35% was reclassified as Armenian.

What abou your 25% Swiss? It is Italian Swiss maybe?

[MinervaItalica]

Random genetic studies online are bullshits. It's still seems hard for people here to realize it. I would trust original sources from my country studies only.

[Rocinante]

Random genetic studies online are bullshits. It's still seems hard for people here to realize it. I would trust original sources from my country studies only.

Depending on the region, they are some considerable amount of NA/ME ancestry. Western Sicily and Calabria are a good example.

[SUPREEEEEME]

I really don't mean this as a troll thread but I was just in Southern Italy and was reading up on the latest studies on their genetics. It's seems to be a concensus now that South Italians are closer related to Levantine populations than to other western European populations? This is surprising to me

As someone who is roughly half Middle Eastern half European, my closest populations after Ashkenazi Jews are West Sicilians, Maltese etc...

I think they plot half way between Europe and the Middle East, just like Ashkenazi Jews and Greek Islanders.

That's my take, anyway...

[Tauromachos]

What means closer to Middle East?

There is still neighbouring people closer to them than Middle Easterners are,
rest of Italians and Greeks

[Dunai]

I would be curious of these new scientific genetic studies before I believe it. The Mediterranean Sea is a major divide of human ancestry between its Northern and Southern areas. Those in the North (including South Italians) have largely European origin, while those in the South have largely MENA origin.

[Karol Klačansky]

Random genetic studies online are bullshits. It's still seems hard for people here to realize it. I would trust original sources from my country studies only.

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/9/eaaw3492
Italian clusters separated into three main groups: Sardinia, Northern (North/Central-North Italy), and Southern Italy (South/Central-South Italy and Sicily); the first two were close to populations originally from Western Europe, while the last was closer to Middle Eastern groups (Fig. 1, A and B; figs. S1D and S2, A to C; and data file S1).

this is a legit scientific study from 2019, it schocked me as well. I knew southern italians had a lot of east med influence but I still assumed them to be genetically closer to french or austrians for example than to levantine populations, doesnt seem to be the case though.

[Karol Klačansky]

What means closer to Middle East?

There is still neighbouring people closer to them than Middle Easterners are,
rest of Italians and Greeks

the comparison was between southern italians and western europens, obviously they are closer to other italians and greeks. I want southern italians to belong to europe in every sense, but it seems they are something between europeans and middle eastern populations, like everyone has always thought. I used to argue hardcore back in the day that southern italians had less than 3% of their dna from the middle east, scientific studies used to claim that, but it seems the trolls were actually right.