Not a troll thread, but south Italians are now proven to be closer to middle east?

[Smeagol]

South Italians are like half way between North Italians and Lebanese. They're closest to Greeks and Jews.

[Benyzero]

They are european but genetically unique, with almost no ancient northern component and usually some NA dna. In this regard, they are similar to levantines

[Armenian Bishop]

What abou your 25% Swiss? It is Italian Swiss maybe?

I tried to reply earlier, but the forum had a glitch.

it's a fair point that my dad's father was Swiss. He came from a German Canton, on the southeastern side of Lake Biel, French Cantons are on the other side of the lake.

My point was that 23andMe botched it up several years ago, and classified more than half of my DNA as an Italian Component (54%); but, a little more than a year ago, they fixed it, and reclassified more than 30% of it as an Armenian Component. Currently, my Italian Component is less than 20% (17.8%); on the other hand, my French and German Component went up (22.5%).

I simply wondered as to why they misidentified so much of it as Italian, regardless of the fact that it was an error, and they botched it up badly.

[Adamastor]

South Italians are closer to Levantines than to many North Italians. Calabrians and Sicilians especially, but not only them.

Look at a Sicilian result:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 3.27
2 East_Sicilian 6.35
3 South_Italian 6.35
4 Italian_Jewish 6.64
5 Central_Greek 7.31
6 Algerian_Jewish 7.51
7 Sephardic_Jewish 7.53
8 West_Sicilian 8.89
9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.92
10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.55
11 Libyan_Jewish 11.58
12 Greek_Thessaly 12.09
13 Cyprian 13.44
14 Tuscan 15.15
15 Lebanese_Muslim 17.18
16 Syrian 18.61
17 Samaritan 19.46
18 Lebanese_Druze 19.57
19 Bulgarian 20.28
20 Palestinian 20.32

North Italians don't even pop up and closer to Greeks and Cypriots than to Central Italians.

Look at a result from Veneto, North Italy:

1 North_Italian @ 9.179755
2 Romanian @ 11.980413
3 Serbian @ 11.982498
4 Spanish_Galicia @ 12.266570
5 Portuguese @ 12.458252
6 Tuscan @ 12.760246
7 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.885787
8 French @ 12.887971
9 Bulgarian @ 13.392425
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 13.859756
11 Spanish_Extremadura @ 13.946191
12 Spanish_Murcia @ 14.356702
13 Greek_Thessaly @ 15.557526
14 Austrian @ 16.011047
15 Spanish_Andalucia @ 16.109505
16 Spanish_Valencia @ 16.186577
17 South_Dutch @ 16.511347
18 Hungarian @ 16.644129
19 West_German @ 16.808649
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 17.356918

South Italians also don't pop up. And this person is closer to Austrians and Germans than to South Italians.


When people say these things it may sound like ''trolling'' against Italians, but it's really not so and majority of Italians live in Northern and Central Italy, where levantized or greekfied outliers don't exist.

[Karol Klačansky]

What are the point of these threads to troll Italians and South Europeans - do you consider yourself over and above?

Doesn't take a scientist to determine geneflow - look up equidistant in the dictionary it may answer your questions.

Not to troll I just some how didn't realize that Sicilian and other South italians are genetically closer to the levant than even to Spaniards. This amazes me. Nothing wrong with it they still are a European people but I just assumed they were closer to us in blood as a whole than they were to modern Levantines but I just have to change the little boxes in my hear around of how I imagined Europe genetically.

[alpha.ghot]

I really don't mean this as a troll thread but I was just in Southern Italy and was reading up on the latest studies on their genetics. It's seems to be a concensus now that South Italians are closer related to Levantine populations than to other western European populations? This is surprising to me

That is very sad. Poor Italians (the founder of Roman Empire) are closer genetically to middle eastern people than to Europeans.

[Dorian]

I tried to reply earlier, but the forum had a glitch.

it's a fair point that my dad's father was Swiss. He came from a German Canton, on the southeastern side of Lake Biel, French Cantons are on the other side of the lake.

My point was that 23andMe botched it up several years ago, and classified more than half of my DNA as an Italian Component (54%); but, a little more than a year ago, they fixed it, and reclassified more than 30% of it as an Armenian Component. Currently, my Italian Component is less than 20% (17.8%); on the other hand, my French and German Component went up (22.5%).

I simply wondered as to why they misidentified so much of it as Italian, regardless of the fact that it was an error, and they botched it up badly.

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...ecame_italian/
https://www.reddit.com/r/armenia/com..._with_23andme/

[Karol Klačansky]

That is very sad. Poor Italians (the founder of Roman Empire) are closer genetically to middle eastern people than to Europeans.

Founders of Rome were genetically most similar to Spaniards.

[ProudBrit]

Founders of Rome were genetically most similar to Spaniards.

Show me in the Roman paper were does it say that until then i'll just assume it's just your anthrotard conclusion .

[Adamastor]

That is very sad. Poor Italians (the founder of Roman Empire) are closer genetically to middle eastern people than to Europeans.

Not true, most Italians live in Northern Italy and Central Italy and they are not closer to Middle Easterners than to Europeans. South Italians are actually some kind of Greek-like people with some Levant influences, they were never ''original Roman'' to begin with.

Original Romans are basically an extinct people, they plot with modern North Italians and Iberians by coincidence. They had very low levels of steppe/Indo-European admixture and higher levels of WHG. Modern Basques are probably the closest ones in autosomal profile, but Basques don't descend from Romans, rather preserve a type of autosomal DNA that was common in SW Europe in the past.