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    Default Western Thracians reject "Muslim Greek" identity, demand ethnic recognition

    Turkish minority communities in Greece have criticized a recent statement by Greek President Prokopis Pavlopoulos that referred to them as a "Greek Muslim minority," saying that the statement denies their ethnic identity.

    The Federation of European Western Thracian Turks said in a statement that the Greek government continues to maintain its policy of denial regarding the national identity of the Turkish minority.

    "Our country, Greece, should immediately stop considering the Western Thracian Turkish community a threat and danger and make direct contact with us," the federation said in a statement, according to a report by Anadolu Agency (AA). The statement continued by noting that although borders have changed throughout history, the Turkish people continue to remain in Western Thrace and preserve their Turkish identity.

    The Western Thrace Minority University Graduates Association noted that the Greek president's statements indicate that the country has not reached democratic maturity yet.

    "The minority in Western Thrace has always had the desire to be recognized as Turkish, both through its institutions and with its members," the statement read, adding that they hope this mindset ends soon.

    The Iskeçe (Xanthi) Turkish Association also criticized the president's remarks for denying the ethnic identity of the Turkish minority, while they highlighted determination to ensure the protection of the minority's will.

    The Western Thrace Minority Cultural and Education Corporation also said Pavlopoulos' statement will not change historical facts.

    "The denial of the identity of the Western Thracian Turkish minority means a denial of historical facts," the corporation said, while the Western Thracian Turkish Teachers' Association said his statements do not befit a member-state of the European Union.

    Pavlopoulos, whose term is expected to end on March 14, recently visited Western Thrace, claiming that the Turkish minority there is a religious minority rather than an ethnic one.

    The rights of the Turks of Western Thrace were guaranteed under the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne, a pact forged in the aftermath of World War I, but since then, the situation has steadily deteriorated. After a Greek junta came to power in 1967, the Turks of Western Thrace started to face harsher persecution and rights abuses by the Greek state. Following Turkey's 1974 peace operation in Cyprus to save Turkish Cypriots there, the Greek military junta eventually fell, but the tight restrictions on the Turkish minority persisted and tightened. By the early 1990s, some rights of the Turkish minority were restored but only partially. However, problems regarding collective and civil rights continued, and additional suffering emerged.

    One of the most pressing problems of the Turkish minority in Western Thrace is the denial of their ethnic identity by the Greek state. Greece recognizes the minority in Western Thrace only in terms of religion, that is to say as a Muslim minority.

    Greece bases this policy on its misinterpretation of the Treaty of Lausanne, as the treaty in no way excludes consideration of the minority's Turkish identity. Indeed, in the 1950s, during an era of good Turkish-Greek relations, Greece used to officially refer to the minority as the "Turkish minority."

    But this stance started to change after the 1967 military junta began referring to the minority as a "Muslim minority," a policy that continues today.

    Throughout the 1980s, Greece even banned associations that had the word "Turkish" in their names. The European Court of Human Rights ruled against Greece on this matter in 2008, but Greece has defied the rulings, refusing to implement them. Under this draconian policy, all Turkish minority associations that contain the word "Turkish" in their names are still forbidden in Greece.

    https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/...their-identity

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    Can't blame them. Greek state asks them to identify as "Greeks with an Arab religion, praying in Arabic". Wahhabis, MENA people would like it but not Turks.

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    Declaration of Komotini Turkish Youth Union

    On February 10, 2020, the President of Greece, Prokopis Pavlopulos, came to Western Thrace as the guest of Sapci-Maronia Municipality of Rodop. Speaking at the ceremony held due to the honorary citizenship of him by the decision of the city council, we would like to state that we found his statements about the Western Thrace Muslim Turkish Minority as disappointing and worrying.

    Distinguishing the national identity of the Western Thrace Muslim Turkish Minority, the disappointed President in our society has violated the "right to express his national identity" of some of the country's citizens.

    Western Thrace Turkish society still exists in Western Thrace as it was in the past and it will continue to exist.

    Instead of insisting on the "denial of national identity" policy of President Pavlopulo and our country Greece, Western Thrace Muslim Turkish Society, we expect the European Court of Human Rights to apply the decisions regarding freedom of expression, freedom of association and freedom of religion and conscience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Declaration of Komotini Turkish Youth Union

    On February 10, 2020, the President of Greece, Prokopis Pavlopulos, came to Western Thrace as the guest of Sapci-Maronia Municipality of Rodop. Speaking at the ceremony held due to the honorary citizenship of him by the decision of the city council, we would like to state that we found his statements about the Western Thrace Muslim Turkish Minority as disappointing and worrying.

    Distinguishing the national identity of the Western Thrace Muslim Turkish Minority, the disappointed President in our society has violated the "right to express his national identity" of some of the country's citizens.

    Western Thrace Turkish society still exists in Western Thrace as it was in the past and it will continue to exist.

    Instead of insisting on the "denial of national identity" policy of President Pavlopulo and our country Greece, Western Thrace Muslim Turkish Society, we expect the European Court of Human Rights to apply the decisions regarding freedom of expression, freedom of association and freedom of religion and conscience.
    Bori doesn't want them nor he considers them as Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heaven View Post
    Can't blame them. Greek state asks them to identify as "Greeks with an Arab religion, praying in Arabic". Wahhabis, MENA people would like it but not Turks.
    Mehmet, are you White?

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    Declaration of Xanthi Turkish Union

    We would like to emphasize that we have received disappointment, anxiety and surprise from President Mr. Prokopis Pavlopulo's recent remarks about the Western Thrace Muslim Turkish Minority during his visit to the city of Rodop. Mr. President denied the national identity of our minority and treated the Western Thrace Turkish Society as a second-class citizen with the statements he made in our region to receive the honorary title of Sapci Municipality.

    Our society has repeatedly expressed that the national identity cannot be the subject of controversy and that the will of our minority cannot be ignored, and has given the necessary messages to the country and the world public opinion.

    President Pavlopulos, who made similar statements before, has once again disappointed our society by denying the national identity of the Western Thrace Muslim Turkish Minority. Mr. President, who should be the most sensitive about treating all citizens of a country equally, and benefiting from equal rights and liberties, has acted in violation of the "right to express his national identity" of some of the country's citizens.

    Instead of insisting on the "denial of national identity" policy of the President of the Republic of Western Thrace from the President of Turkey, Mr. Pavlopulos and our country, the European Court of Human Rights, which is also closely related to freedom of expression, freedom of religion and conscience, We would like to remind you that we expect it to strive for the full and complete implementation of its decisions concerning the minority.
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    "Muslim Greeks" is an oxymoron and Greeks themselves know it. It's a desperate attempt the Greek authorities make.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    Dark skin is sign of evilness, every dark skinned country is agressive, full with criminality, violented peoples, most crimes were committed by dark skinned peoples. Many of them are follower of Islam (death cult) to spread the voice of Satan who tainted them that's why their skin is dark as their souls. We whites are descedants of angels (thats why our skin is light), we created the human rights, we ended slavery, we created the modern medical science to save lifes etc etc. Thats why the dark skinned peoples are so jealous for us and they want to destroy everything what the angles created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Declaration of Xanthi Turkish Union

    We would like to emphasize that we have received disappointment, anxiety and surprise from President Mr. Prokopis Pavlopulo's recent remarks about the Western Thrace Muslim Turkish Minority during his visit to the city of Rodop. Mr. President denied the national identity of our minority and treated the Western Thrace Turkish Society as a second-class citizen with the statements he made in our region to receive the honorary title of Sapci Municipality.

    Our society has repeatedly expressed that the national identity cannot be the subject of controversy and that the will of our minority cannot be ignored, and has given the necessary messages to the country and the world public opinion.

    President Pavlopulos, who made similar statements before, has once again disappointed our society by denying the national identity of the Western Thrace Muslim Turkish Minority. Mr. President, who should be the most sensitive about treating all citizens of a country equally, and benefiting from equal rights and liberties, has acted in violation of the "right to express his national identity" of some of the country's citizens.

    Instead of insisting on the "denial of national identity" policy of the President of the Republic of Western Thrace from the President of Turkey, Mr. Pavlopulos and our country, the European Court of Human Rights, which is also closely related to freedom of expression, freedom of religion and conscience, We would like to remind you that we expect it to strive for the full and complete implementation of its decisions concerning the minority.
    issued in English?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    "Muslim Greeks" is an oxymoron and Greeks themselves know it. It's a desperate attempt the Greek authorities make.
    not at all. I have many muslim greek friends of albanian origin. muslim minority is composed of 3 ethnicities as well.

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