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What???
Haplogroup E as far as Eastern Xiongnu???
Originally Posted by Altaylı
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Mezőcsát culture:
N-Y6503
Hungarian Scythians:
G-PF3378, R1
Moldovan Scythians:
R1b1a1a2 x3 (R-M269, the western branch of r1b)
Cimmerians, Moldova and Ukraine:
Q1a1
R1b1a
R1a2c-B111
Ukrainian Scythians:
R1a-Z645
J2a8-B437
R1b1a1a2 (R-M269, the western branch of r1b)
Q1c-L332
R1a-M417
R1a2-Z93
About Mezőcsát and Hungarian Scythians:
In the Carpathian Basin, the Iron Age commenced around 800 BC, when a new population moved into the territory and took possession of the former population's centers fortified by earthworks.[20][21] The new population may have consisted of ancient Iranian tribes that had seceded from the federation of the tribes living under the suzerainty of the Cimmerians.[20][21] They were equestrian nomads and formed the people of the Mezőcsát culture who used tools and weapons made of iron. They extended their rule over what are now the Great Hungarian Plain and the eastern parts of Transdanubia.[21]
Around 750 BC, people of the Hallstatt culture gradually occupied the western parts of Transdanubia, but the earlier population of the territory also survived and thus the two archaeological cultures existed together for centuries.[20] The people of the Hallstatt culture took over the former population's fortifications (e.g., in Velem, Celldömölk, Tihany) but they also built new ones enclosed with earthworks (e.g., in Sopron).[20][21] The nobility were buried in chamber tombs covered by earth.[20] Some of their settlements situated along the Amber Road developed into commercial centers.[20][21]
Between 550 and 500 BC, new people settled along the river Tisza and in Transylvania.[20][21] Their immigration may have been connected either to the military campaigns of king Darius I of Persia (522 BC - 486 BC) on the Balkan Peninsula or to the struggles between the Cimmerians and the Scythians.[20][21] Those people, who settled down in Transylvania and in the Banat, may be identified with the Agathyrsi (probably an ancient Thracian tribe whose presence on the territory was recorded by Herodotus); while those who lived in what is now the Great Hungarian Plain may be identified with the Sigynnae.[20] The new population introduced the use of the potter's wheel in the Carpathian Basin and they maintained close commercial contacts with the neighboring peoples.[20]
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Those Tian-Shan Huns ain't exactly eastern. They're from Kyrgyzstan, and that region was a melting pot.
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Royal scythians is R1a-Z93. Berel 11 arzhan 2 royal scythian burial have Y dna R1a-Z93.
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I've included the Ukrainian Scythians, but omitted the Hungarian and Moldovan Scythians -- incuded one though, from Glinoe -- which was in the Steppe cluster, and whose Y-DNA was of the Steppe type. Others ain't really Scythian!
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Mezőcsát and Cimmerians are also Iranic steppe nomads, just like Sarmatians and Alans you mentioned in the title
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there was E in the BMAC, maybe it's from them?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactri...mplex#Genetics
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Thanks for the information. I've nonetheless included the same under Pazyryk culture: R-S23201.
Edit: Change made in the original post.
Last edited by axlredneck; 02-20-2020 at 07:25 AM.
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I was in the process of adding Cimmerians, I'll add 'em asap. Thanks for informing me about Mezőcsáts, I'll add 'em too.
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