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    Anyway we need more samples from Southern Italy especially from the following areas : Apulia, Benevento, Molise, Northern Abruzzo, Basilicata, Cosenza, Crotone.

    I've seen dozens of Campanians/Sicilians/Reggio Calabria/Vibo Valentia results...

    Because they are also the less isolated and more populated areas in Southern Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    The Kalash look European only on anthroforums. In reality they look Afghan or Pakistani or Northern Indian. That's a fucking small tribe anyway. Even Tajiks are 1/4 or 1/3 Steppe on G25, yet they are still fucking dark and don't look European.

    Target: Tajik
    Distance: 2.1171% / 0.02117062
    32.2 Yamnaya_Samara
    16.0 Ganj_Dareh_N
    15.0 Armenia_EBA
    13.4 Barcin_N
    9.6 Han
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    Let's be serious: it is obvious that they have European traits, it shows. You are simply obsessed with your false vision of Europeanity: blond with blue eyes with specific features (Slavo-Mongoloid). Square jaw, etc, and all this bullshit, which is far from what Europeanity is.

    They don't look like North Indians, they looks more European at the level of features in general and genetic proof that.

    It's a fact, not a idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dududud View Post
    Let's be serious: it is obvious that they have European traits, it shows. You are simply obsessed with your false vision of Europeanity: blond with blue eyes with specific features (Slavo-Mongoloid). Square jaw, etc, and all this bullshit, which is far from what Europeanity is.

    They don't look like North Indians, they looks more European at the level of features in general and genetic proof that.

    It's a fact, not a idea.
    Lol. Are you kidding me? Slavo-Mongoloid? What the fuck are you talking about? They are not European but Pakistani which is a South Asian country.
    Yes, of course Slavs are European if we are talking about unmixed Russians, Ukrainians, Poles. South Slavs like Croats, Serbs as well. Why did you even bring up Slavs comparing them with the Kalash? Square jaw, lol. I've never even used that term cause I barely talk about phenotypes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dududud View Post
    Let's be serious: it is obvious that they have European traits, it shows. You are simply obsessed with your false vision of Europeanity: blond with blue eyes with specific features (Slavo-Mongoloid). Square jaw, etc, and all this bullshit, which is far from what Europeanity is.

    They don't look like North Indians, they looks more European at the level of features in general and genetic proof that.

    It's a fact, not a idea.

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    Do these people look European to you?

    Certainly some of them look European, but on average they look like a Georgian/Turkish + Indian mix.

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    For that matter, the Kalash don't look Western European either. Do they look British, Spanish, French, Italian? Hell no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamastor View Post
    Yeah, I'd argue that Sicilians and even Lebanese people look much more European on average than Kalash, Tajiks, Jatts, Pashtuns and any other heavily steppe influenced groups from South Asia/Central Asia. Many Jatts I've seen in real life were brown as fuck, some even with dark brown skin. Yet some of these people have 30-40% Sintashta blood.

    At the same time, most Lebanese have pale or olive skin, very few are truly ''brown''.

    Not sure about tajikis being darker than lebbos on avg.

    I'll say theyre more around the same shades

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    Quote Originally Posted by andre View Post
    Harappa
    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 31.19
    2 Mediterranean 28.51
    3 SW-Asian 15.18
    4 NE-Euro 12.41
    5 Baloch 9.5
    6 American 0.9
    7 NE-Asian 0.66
    8 E-African 0.54
    9 W-African 0.42
    10 Papuan 0.39
    11 SE-Asian 0.31

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 6.51
    2 morocco-jew (behar) 7.01
    3 sephardic-jew (behar) 7.42
    4 ashkenazi (harappa) 9
    5 tuscan (1000genomes) 13.63
    6 tuscan (hgdp) 14.07
    7 tuscan (hapmap) 14.55
    8 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 17.93
    9 cypriot (behar) 19.29
    10 lebanese (behar) 20.9
    11 italian (hgdp) 21.38
    12 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 22.44
    13 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 22.76
    14 palestinian (harappa) 23.48
    15 syrian (behar) 23.53
    16 jordanian (behar) 23.75
    17 turkish (harappa) 23.87
    18 lebanese-muslim (haber) 23.94
    19 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 23.99
    20 turk (behar) 24.13

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 62.7% lebanese-christian (haber) + 37.3% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 1.45
    2 63.3% lebanese-christian (haber) + 36.7% basque (hgdp) @ 1.56
    3 63% lebanese-druze (haber) + 37% basque (hgdp) @ 2.52
    4 62.3% lebanese-druze (haber) + 37.7% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.53
    5 54.4% lebanese-christian (haber) + 45.6% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.96
    6 65.5% lebanese-muslim (haber) + 34.5% basque (hgdp) @ 3.07
    7 86.7% sephardic-jew (behar) + 13.3% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.14
    8 82.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 17.9% spaniard (behar) @ 3.21
    9 87.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 12.9% basque (hgdp) @ 3.24
    10 82.3% sephardic-jew (behar) + 17.7% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.28
    11 64.9% lebanese-muslim (haber) + 35.1% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.34
    12 68.6% lebanese (behar) + 31.4% basque (hgdp) @ 3.42
    13 84.7% sephardic-jew (behar) + 15.3% french (hgdp) @ 3.58
    14 69.4% morocco-jew (behar) + 30.6% tuscan (hgdp) @ 3.61
    15 54% lebanese-druze (haber) + 46% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.63
    16 68.8% morocco-jew (behar) + 31.2% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 3.69
    17 68% lebanese (behar) + 32% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.69
    18 87.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 12.4% british (1000genomes) @ 3.81
    19 88.2% sephardic-jew (behar) + 11.8% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.84
    20 76.8% sephardic-jew (behar) + 23.2% italian (hgdp) @ 3.86
    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I did this because I have more samples than does someone on Eupedia. I only put the largest components.

    SICILIANS:
    EAST SICILY:
    Messina (N = 19)
    Baloch: 7.71
    Caucasus: 35.21
    NE Euro: 14.03
    Med: 25.86
    SW Asian: 14.39

    Catania (N = 15)
    Baloch: 8.23
    Caucasus: 34.22
    NE Euro: 13.92
    Med: 25.41
    SW Asian: 14.12

    Syracuse and Ragusa (N = 5)
    Baloch: 8.25
    Caucasus: 31.48
    NE Euro: 17.59
    Med: 26.86
    SW Asian: 12.62

    CENTRAL SICILY:
    Caltanissetta (N = 4)
    Baloch: 7.79
    Caucasus: 32.44
    NE Euro: 16.03
    Med: 26.19
    SW Asian: 14.29

    WEST SICILY:
    Agrigento (N = 6)
    Baloch: 8.41
    Caucasus: 31.72
    NE Euro: 15.10
    Med: 26.67
    SW Asian: 14.19

    Trapani (N = 19)
    Baloch: 7.62
    Caucasus: 31.98
    NE Euro: 17.17
    Med: 27.23
    SW Asian: 13.29

    Palermo (N = 30)
    Baloch: 7.69
    Caucasus: 32.88
    NE Euro: 15.99
    Med: 26.37
    SW Asian: 14.03

    Calabria (N = 14)
    Baloch: 7.92
    Caucasus: 35.69
    NE Euro: 14.77
    Med: 25.50
    SW Asian: 14.16

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    Quote Originally Posted by dududud View Post
    To be exact: between 25 and 35% of indo-european blood, but as a whole they have europeans features.

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00330
    Distance: 4.4264% / 0.04426385
    33.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    30.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    17.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    16.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    1.4 Nganassan
    0.2 Han

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00328
    Distance: 3.2252% / 0.03225170
    34.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    28.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    22.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    12.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    1.6 Han
    0.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00326
    Distance: 3.5605% / 0.03560451
    29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    28.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    23.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    15.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    2.4 Han
    1.0 Nganassan
    0.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00323
    Distance: 2.8004% / 0.02800356
    31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    25.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    24.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    13.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    2.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    1.4 Han
    0.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00319
    Distance: 3.8869% / 0.03886919
    34.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    20.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    15.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    2.2 Han
    1.2 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00315
    Distance: 2.3605% / 0.02360456
    34.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    32.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    19.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    8.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    2.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    2.0 Han

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00313
    Distance: 3.3694% / 0.03369405
    31.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    30.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    21.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    13.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    2.4 Han
    0.2 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
    0.2 Nganassan

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00311
    Distance: 4.4049% / 0.04404863
    32.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    31.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    19.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    12.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    2.6 Han
    1.2 Nganassan

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00309
    Distance: 2.8778% / 0.02877813
    31.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    30.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    17.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    17.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    3.0 Han

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00307
    Distance: 2.7537% / 0.02753672
    32.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    31.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    17.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    15.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    1.2 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
    1.2 Han

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00304
    Distance: 1.9349% / 0.01934866
    31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    29.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    28.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    6.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    1.6 Han
    1.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    0.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
    0.2 WHG

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00302
    Distance: 2.2774% / 0.02277430
    31.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    18.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    15.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    2.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    1.8 Han
    1.2 Nganassan
    0.2 WHG

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00298
    Distance: 2.1014% / 0.02101409
    32.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    30.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    22.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    9.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    2.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    2.6 Han

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00290
    Distance: 2.9369% / 0.02936852
    31.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    26.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    21.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    16.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.8 Han
    1.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
    0.8 WHG

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00288
    Distance: 2.7378% / 0.02737837
    32.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    24.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    5.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    4.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    1.4 Han
    0.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
    0.2 WHG

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00286
    Distance: 4.0549% / 0.04054873
    34.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    28.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    17.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    17.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    1.2 Han
    0.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00285
    Distance: 4.0676% / 0.04067576
    32.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    29.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    19.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    16.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    1.2 Han
    1.0 Nganassan

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00281
    Distance: 2.6235% / 0.02623478
    33.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    30.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    21.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    8.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    3.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    2.4 Han

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00279
    Distance: 2.8617% / 0.02861656
    35.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    33.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    16.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    8.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    2.8 Levant_PPNB
    2.6 Han
    1.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    0.6 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00277
    Distance: 2.4844% / 0.02484410
    33.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    29.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    21.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    8.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    6.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    0.6 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
    0.2 Han

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00274
    Distance: 2.9192% / 0.02919181
    35.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    31.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    15.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    15.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    1.2 Han
    1.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    0.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

    Target: Kalash:HGDP00267
    Distance: 2.8960% / 0.02895961
    33.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
    32.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    17.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    14.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    0.8 Han
    0.8 Nganassan
    0.4 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    Kalash have a lot of Botai-related ancestry which inflates their steppe admixture if you don't reference it in your model. The most steppe among South Asians are the Khatri and Jatts, but they are not comparable to Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Kalash have a lot of Botai-related ancestry which inflates their steppe admixture if you don't reference it in your model. The most steppe among South Asians are the Khatri and Jatts, but they are not comparable to Europeans.
    Yes they are like... 30% "European", then the rest is really far from Europe.

    Druze/Lebanese have less Steppe but are more European in that comparison, they have very high EEF admixture + some Steppe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    Yes they are like... 30% "European", then the rest is really far from Europe.

    Druze/Lebanese have less Steppe but are more European in that comparison, they have very high EEF admixture + some Steppe.
    Sure? Tu as vu ça sur le Global 25 ? ils ont combien en barcin?

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