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    Default Do you agree that the US and EU sanctions against Venezuela are hypocritical and cynical?

    No, I am not an apologist for Maduro, and his regime is undoubtedly very corrupt, nasty and inept. Nevertheless, let us be real: the EU and US are NOT sanctioning the regime for its human rights abuses, but because it is anti-Western and socialist. Even if one is prepared to believe the absolute worst about Nicolas Maduro and Delcy Rodriguez, and personally I think at least some of the allegations against them are exaggerated and propagandistic, surely their crimes pale compared to those of the following regimes which the West either likes or at least shuts up about:

    - China. Thousands of political prisoners, harsh censorship of the press and the Internet, torture widespread, and severe repression of minority groups like the Falun Gong, Tibetans and Uighyurs. Western governments are remarkably silent about all this most of the time, though would this be the case were China not so big and powerful?

    - Saudi Arabia. Tyrannical theocratic monarchy which treats women like second-class citizens, bans all religions other than Islam, spreads and promotes its fundamentalist Wahhabism globally and has pursued a ruthless bombing campaign of neighbouring Yemen, often with Western-made aircraft. Yet they are supposedly reliable friends of the West and much better than neaby Iran.

    - El Salvador. Turning to Latin America itself, here we have a totally failed state where ruthless Maras gangs have infiltrated practically every public and private institution in the country, terrorising anyone who comes in their path through kidnapping, extortion, rape and murder. Any elected government has to be in their good books, lest the politicians get targeted themselves. At least one million Salvadorans have left the country over the last two decades, which per capita is even greater than the much-vaunted four million Venezuelans who have left over the same period. Nevertheless, its government is very pro-Western and laissez-faire when it comes to its laws regarding foreign businesses, so once again silence from Western governments abounds.

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    Not exactly.

    China used the gullibility of the West from the mid-90s onwards to push their "China's peaceful rise" propaganda and then used that time to boost their economy. Now they are too powerful and can just do whatever they want and nobody will sanction them.

    Saudis are running out of oil and trying to leverage the last of their income and savings into rent collection on the West (buying property in Western countries and shares in Western corporations), I would say this is a great time to find excuses to sanction them and permanently end the power they've had as oil sheiks. The Middle East is quickly becoming irrelevant to industry. They can also be made financially irrelevant by political action: sanctions banning Saudi ownership of anything in the West, for a start, and purchase of anything but consumer goods. There's a windfall gain to be had by finding reasons to confiscate their holdings on our territory, and then we can finally simply forget them, while their cities collapse and they go back to fighting over wells on camelback in the desert.

    In the 80s El Salvador was under military dictatorship. The Catholic Church in Central America was involved in pushing Communism via their "liberation theology" (the priests were helping communist guerrillas). Reagan, John Poindexter and Oliver North came up with the Honduran Death Squads that swept through Nicaragua and El Salvador killing all the catholic nuns and priests and blaming it on the Sandinistas. If you were spreading liberal/communist/socialist propaganda the national guard would arrest you and beat you senseless. But as they got into the 90s with Clinton the ideas faded. Then came the FMLN and Obama and everything went to hell. Even the British ambassador threatened to sanction El Salvador and label them bad at the UN if they got rid of their MS-13 problem.

    Venezuela's economy has been going downhill for years, long before Western sanction efforts were put into effect. It's the price of oil that killed Venezuela, it's unprofitable to refine unless it's $90-110 a barrel, anything less and American shale is cheaper. Even when sanctions did come in force, they were targeted against Venezuelan government operations instead of the general economy. That's only changed very recently, within the last year or so. The worst the Americans did was sanction PDVSA (PDVSA was entirely reliant on the US market for oil due to their refineries being the only ones capable of processing their black tar sour crude), after their management embezzled the fuck out of their state oil company (because they were going bankrupt).

    At the end of the day, Latin American countries have always been corrupt shitholes. Bolivarianism is what made them shit. Basically set the precedent for corrupt strongmen to rule and plunder until overthrown by revolution in a never-ending cycle. This leaves Latin American countries in a perpetual state of ruin as efforts to rebuild are derailed by the current regime plundering resources to keep unrealistic promises or just outright destroyed by the next uprising.
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    Anyone else?

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    Those sanctions do shit to help, the narco-commies still sleep well in in Miraflores Palace and in summer in their ultra expensive apartments in Miami.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico View Post
    Those sanctions do shit to help, the narco-commies still sleep well in Miraflores Palace and in summer in their ultra expensive apartments in Miami.
    Well quite. But do you not also agree that, as appalling as the Venezuelan government surely is, there are other regimes around the world as or more deserving of sanctions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Well quite. But do you not also agree that, as appalling as the Venezuelan government surely is, there are other regimes around the world as or more deserving of sanctions?

    Yes, the United Kingdom for not respecting UN resolutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Well quite. But do you not also agree that, as appalling as the Venezuelan government surely is, there are other regimes around the world as or more deserving of sanctions?
    Venezuela's problems started, because Maduro's predecessor (Hugo Chavez) pursued deglobalization measures to take back some of the natural resources of the country.

    In 2011, former president Hugo Chavez revoked project authorization for gold mines, which prompted four Canadian mining companies to launch ISDS lawsuits against Venezuela for billions of dollars in “lost profits” under the terms of a bilateral trade treaty signed with Canada. Venezuela subsequently cancelled all its bilateral investment treaties – inspiring a world-wide resistance against the ISDS clause, but also further earning the wrath of the private sector.
    https://watershedsentinel.ca/article...nomic-warfare/

    Overall, Washington has pretty consistently played a role that has increased political polarization in Venezuela and continues to do so. For most of the past 15 years, Venezuela has been one of Washington’s top two (along with Iran and Iraq) targets for regime change.
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07...regime-change/

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    ISDS is indeed deeply dangerous - the idea that multinational corporations can sue nation states through secret courts for denying them 'investor rights' is a serious attack on democracy and sovereignty. Even so, this doesn't detract from the overall failings in Venezuela.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Well quite. But do you not also agree that, as appalling as the Venezuelan government surely is, there are other regimes around the world as or more deserving of sanctions?
    Yes, they are goverments that deserves heavy sanctions like Saudi Arabia for example, where men threat women like objects, but of course, they have the "Juice of the Dinosaur" so... Nothing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico View Post
    Yes, they are goverments that deserves heavy sanctions like Saudi Arabia for example, where men threat women like objects, but of course, they have the "Juice of the Dinosaur" so... Nothing to do.
    Venezuela has oil as well though...

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