Are Northern Italian genetically closer to Iberians than southern Italians?

[Jana]

If you do some modelling, you see that Imperial era had at most 15/20% impact, and only in southeastern France, in other regions the influence is much less present. This is because the province "Narbonensis" was settled earlier by Roman people.

There's some influence also in Alsace, Lorraine and Bourgogne I believe. I've never said that that Romans hadn't any impact, simply it's often over-estimated.

Is there Roman influence in Alsace, early Roman like or Imperial?

[SharpFork]

If you do some modelling, you see that Imperial era had at most 15/20% impact, and only in southeastern France, in other regions the influence is much less present. This is because the province "Narbonensis" was settled earlier by Roman people.

There's some influence also in Alsace, Lorraine and Bourgogne I believe. I've never said that that Romans hadn't any impact, simply it's often over-estimated.

Modelling with which pre-Roman samples though? Also I never saw someone actually argue Romans had a huge genetic impact, Adamastor only argue they had some, not 50% replacement or anything. It's basically proven that Tuscany and Latium were affected a lot and we can infer that there some internal or even external migration of more East Med people in Spain and France shouldN't be a complete exception this, considering the presence of the limes, it's relative wealth etc.

I'm not saying I know for sure they did, but insofar as speculations go we shouldn't start from the supposition of little change because I think there is a clear record that most large historical events do carry relevant genetic changes and given what we already know about other places in Europe.

[mitalit]

G25 mediterranean unscaled model with Spanish, Italian, French, North African and more averages (prefer 0.25x). I always thought it would be closer to neighboring country France than to Italy.

Target: Def
Distance: 1.4258% / 0.01425842
36.6 Italian_Lombardy
35.6 Spanish_Asturias
16.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
9.8 Sardinian
1.6 Berber_MAR_TIZ

Target: Def
Distance: 1.4321% / 0.01432095 | ADC: 0.25x
34.8 Italian_Lombardy
34.4 Spanish_Asturias
22.0 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
8.4 Sardinian
0.4 Berber_Tunisia_Chen

In case they want to try and they are lazy to collect.

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Spanish_Girona,0.01066,0.01437,0.01111,0.00102,0.01338,0.00058,-0.00019,0.00146,0.00977,0.01695,-0.00127,0.00592,-0.00905,-0.0098,0.00558,0.0023,0.00157,-0.00049,0.00133,-0.00218,0.00227,-0.00081,-0.00028,0.00011,-0.00138
Spanish_La_Rioja,0.0107,0.015,0.0124,-0.0026,0.0175,-0.0038,-8e-04,0.001,0.0135,0.0213,-0.0033,0.0038,-0.0114,-0.0108,0.0049,0.0103,0.0081,-0.0019,-5e-04,4e-04,0.0104,0.0019,-0.0018,-0.0078,7e-04
Spanish_Lleida,0.0107333,0.0144556,0.0114,0.0006333,0.0143778,-0.0005444,0.0002778,0.0009111,0.0110444,0.0163556,-0.0005667,0.0059667,-0.0110333,-0.0099222,0.0061889,0.0001778,-0.0010889,0.0005111,0.001,-0.0007222,0.0059222,0.0002667,-0.0013778,-0.0006556,-0.0005333
Spanish_Mallorca,0.0103333,0.0145667,0.0103222,0.0003333,0.0128,-0.0004889,0.0001667,0.0013333,0.0085111,0.0153333,-0.0018667,0.0041889,-0.0104667,-0.0061111,0.0047444,0.0019,0.0010444,0.0011556,-7e-04,-0.0010778,0.0007778,0.0006111,-0.0014222,0.0001667,-2e-04
Spanish_Menorca,0.0101667,0.0145333,0.0097667,-0.0018667,0.0139,-6e-04,6e-04,6.67e-05,0.0106,0.0161,-0.0013667,0.0062,-0.0097,-0.0052667,0.0023667,-0.0021667,-0.0021667,0.0011,-7e-04,-0.0014333,0.0026333,0.0015667,0.0008667,-0.0055,-0.0049
Spanish_Murcia,0.0096,0.014075,0.01005,-0.0018,0.014775,-0.00075,-0.002125,-0.00145,0.01235,0.017675,-0.0021,0.002275,-0.008325,-0.00785,0.003475,-0.001075,0.000775,0.000675,-5e-05,8e-04,0.004025,-0.002375,-0.00055,-0.0025,0.00165
Spanish_Navarra,0.0105,0.0144,0.0117333,-0.0002333,0.0158333,-0.0004333,-0.0013667,-0.0006333,0.0122,0.0212333,-0.0030667,0.0076667,-0.0102667,-0.0123667,0.0115333,0.0021333,-0.0067,0.0008667,-0.0019667,-0.0020333,0.0037333,0.0020667,-0.0056333,3.33e-05,0.0039667
Spanish_Pais_Vasco,0.0112667,0.0149333,0.0149333,0.0025,0.0169333,0.0008667,1e-04,0.0012667,0.0135667,0.0218667,-0.0036333,0.0062333,-0.0141667,-0.0087667,0.0135667,-0.0018667,-0.0094667,0.0022667,0.0017667,-0.0052667,0.0062,-0.0019667,-0.0053,-0.0056,0.0030667
Spanish_Penedes,0.0107,0.0143636,0.0108364,0.0014636,0.0136636,0.0006636,-0.0010273,0.0003455,0.0090091,0.0154909,-0.0008364,0.0036,-0.0108545,-0.0100636,0.0074182,0.0010727,0.0014727,0.0015182,8.18e-05,-9e-04,0.0013818,-0.0005182,-0.0022455,-0.0013909,0.0003545
Spanish_Peri-Barcelona,0.01065,0.01474,0.01096,0.00047,0.01449,9e-05,0.00023,0.00058,0.01049,0.01648,-0.00107,0.00467,-0.00923,-0.00898,0.0054,0.00095,6e-05,-2e-04,-0.00059,-0.00109,0.00217,0.00067,-0.00119,-0.00035,0.00191
Spanish_Pirineu,0.0107167,0.0144333,0.0113167,8e-04,0.0146167,-3e-04,-0.0003667,0.0019,0.0124167,0.0188333,-0.0014167,0.0064167,-0.00995,-0.00905,0.0051833,0.0003333,-0.0011,3e-04,-0.0035333,-0.0012833,0.0029667,-5e-04,-0.0023,-0.00535,0.0015167
Spanish_Soria,0.0107,0.014,0.01325,0.00235,0.01545,0.00045,-0.00125,-0.00055,0.0101,0.02055,-0.00645,0.0076,-0.0117,-0.0166,0.0084,0.01095,0.0104,-0.0023,-0.00325,-0.00055,-0.00025,-0.00115,-0.00305,-0.0049,-0.00175
Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre,0.01072,0.01446,0.01098,-0.00054,0.01392,-0.00158,-6e-05,0.00196,0.00918,0.01808,-0.00202,0.00522,-0.01118,-0.00808,0.0071,-0.00256,-0.00406,-0.00054,0.00032,0.00026,0.00232,6e-04,-0.0029,-0.00448,-0.00108
Spanish_Valencia,0.0103667,0.0142417,0.0108333,-0.000275,0.0151,-0.0005167,-0.00085,0.0007083,0.011325,0.01825,-0.00185,0.0055583,-0.00865,-0.0089667,0.007075,-0.0006417,-0.0036,-0.0013583,-0.0009833,-0.0007333,0.0044667,-0.0011083,-0.0016583,-0.0042667,0.0017167
Portuguese,0.009328,0.01424,0.009548,-0.001372,0.013692,-0.001452,-0.001592,0.001196,0.012516,0.01632,-0.000452,0.004952,-0.008568,-0.008184,0.009252,-3e-04,-0.000868,-7e-04,-0.004584,-0.000196,0.000912,-0.00208,0.001056,-0.00094,-8.8e-05
Moroccan,-0.0075,0.0128222,-0.0034,-0.0219444,0.0068667,-0.0118111,-0.0118222,0.0042333,0.0270889,0.0133889,0.0058556,-0.0060222,0.0181556,-0.0105111,0.0120111,-0.0046667,-0.0021222,-0.0134444,-0.0305667,0.0075444,-0.0078889,-0.0238667,0.0169667,-0.0009333,0.0049444
Moroccan_Jew,0.006875,0.014075,-0.004625,-0.019075,0.003525,-0.00685,-0.0045,-0.00075,0.00795,0.013,0.004875,-0.0019,0.0042,-0.003775,0.0037,0.002475,-0.001275,-0.003475,-0.010175,-0.00435,-0.001325,-0.0069,0.0077,-0.0013,9e-04
Moroccan_North,-0.0026333,0.0135222,-0.0008056,-0.0208667,0.0091167,-0.0114444,-0.0104056,0.0021889,0.0298167,0.0179611,0.0036389,-0.0043722,0.0125056,-0.0106889,0.0111556,-0.0079667,0.0009667,-0.0141944,-0.0324167,0.0074333,-0.0097722,-0.0280056,0.0173944,-0.0046278,0.0036722
Moroccan_South,-0.0162062,0.0118062,0.0001938,-0.017625,0.0077875,-0.0096188,-0.0137,0.0066,0.0263125,0.0156625,0.0037312,-0.00455,0.0152938,-0.0125938,0.0133375,-0.0115625,0.0008375,-0.0149375,-0.03245,0.0068125,-0.0118812,-0.0311,0.0195312,-0.0029,0.0045875
Mozabite,-0.0057087,0.0133478,-0.0008696,-0.0222174,0.0084565,-0.0117739,-0.0110913,0.0046913,0.0301826,0.0166522,0.0040087,-0.0042478,0.0146609,-0.0120391,0.0120217,-0.0122,-0.0020783,-0.0173087,-0.0346522,0.0066174,-0.0117217,-0.0297565,0.0200261,-0.0035087,0.0047261
Berber_Algeria,-0.0258,0.010355,0.00053,-0.012405,0.004695,-0.004425,-0.015605,0.009125,0.01317,0.011815,0.003545,-0.00302,0.01434,-0.0054,0.00842,-0.00666,0.002395,-0.008745,-0.01834,0.00399,-0.0059,-0.01588,0.00988,-3e-04,0.002215
Berber_MAR_ERR,-0.0081143,0.0128929,-0.0008714,-0.0220429,0.0083357,-0.01165,-0.0132857,0.0043786,0.0329286,0.0164214,0.0060643,-0.0039857,0.0145714,-0.0117286,0.0148786,-0.0106643,-0.0045857,-0.0168643,-0.0367,0.0075786,-0.0131857,-0.0336643,0.0201286,-0.0017143,0.0044857
Berber_MAR_TIZ,-0.0090071,0.0129643,-0.0006143,-0.0235143,0.0100929,-0.0127857,-0.0142571,0.0052071,0.0374786,0.0173214,0.0054286,-0.0061786,0.0166357,-0.0148357,0.0149929,-0.0118571,8.57e-05,-0.0227571,-0.0425,0.0095286,-0.0166857,-0.0413357,0.0249429,-0.0043071,0.0062357
Berber_Tunisia_Chen,-0.0024556,0.0136944,-0.0021444,-0.0236778,0.0090111,-0.0126222,-0.0133556,0.0022889,0.0334556,0.01635,0.0024667,-0.0029278,0.0132056,-0.0117167,0.0103833,-0.01275,0.0001167,-0.0183833,-0.0371722,0.0062833,-0.0134889,-0.0326944,0.0228278,-0.0036944,0.0053167
Berber_Tunisia_Sen,-0.0034353,0.0132706,-0.0050294,-0.0241176,0.0061118,-0.0127529,-0.0092176,0.0025412,0.0282059,0.0112824,0.0034765,-0.0081647,0.0177059,-0.0068353,0.0091941,-0.0037765,-0.0043647,-0.0103941,-0.0241353,0.0092118,-0.0068235,-0.0195588,0.0121706,-4.12e-05,0.0004588
Sephardic_Jew,0.00799,0.01414,-0.00574,-0.01785,0.00142,-0.00734,-0.00206,-0.00092,0.00518,0.01075,0.00285,0.00033,0.00046,-0.00053,-0.00382,-0.00268,-0.00463,0.00056,-0.00192,-0.00461,-0.00305,-0.00483,0.00124,0.0024,0.00145
Tunisian,-0.0042625,0.0129375,-0.004,-0.0232625,0.006375,-0.011,-0.0094,0.002175,0.0265875,0.0108625,0.00335,-0.0053625,0.0179875,-0.0074,0.0096125,-0.0053875,-0.00285,-0.0102,-0.023075,0.0041375,-0.008375,-0.0184625,0.0147,-0.002775,0.000175
Tunisian_Jew,0.0062,0.0144,-0.0074857,-0.0228286,0.0011286,-0.0093143,-0.0032857,0.0001714,0.01,0.0116571,0.0035714,-0.0022143,0.0048143,3e-04,-0.0003857,-0.0022571,-0.0025571,-0.0011,-0.0053429,-0.0018143,-0.0030571,-0.0067,0.0029286,0.0011286,0.0016143
Libyan,-0.0041895,0.0128947,-0.0058158,-0.0250632,0.0029158,-0.0123947,-0.0089158,0.0013105,0.0254579,0.0053895,0.0037789,-0.0082684,0.0196579,-0.0036316,0.0062789,-0.0003842,-0.0029053,-0.0075579,-0.0160053,0.0090105,-0.0022526,-0.0107263,0.0076263,0.0006632,-0.0002474
Libyan_Jew,0.00596,0.01432,-0.00766,-0.02118,0.00146,-0.00876,-0.00248,-0.00202,0.00974,0.01106,0.00332,-7e-04,0.00532,-0.0011,-0.00038,0.00178,-0.00322,-0.0011,-0.00492,-0.0021,-0.00128,-0.00642,0.00644,-0.00204,0.00198
Karaite_Egypt,0.00685,0.01405,-0.01255,-0.02255,-0.003,-0.00725,-0.00065,-0.001,-0.00045,0.00335,0.0037,-0.0053,0.00735,0.0036,-0.0047,-0.00095,-0.0071,-0.00285,-9e-04,-3e-04,-0.00455,-0.00025,-0.0019,0.0019,-5e-05
Egyptian,-0.00136,0.0132067,-0.0113433,-0.0270033,-0.00143,-0.01196,-0.0058667,0.0002467,0.0183867,0.0006567,0.0042967,-0.0058567,0.0154267,0.0013267,-0.0003833,-4.67e-05,-0.0025333,-0.0020667,-0.0027733,0.0025933,-0.0004633,-0.00185,0.00068,0.0007167,-0.00034
Lebanese_Christian,0.0077444,0.0143556,-0.0129556,-0.0244111,-0.0041889,-0.0110222,-0.0002111,-0.0018556,0.0025333,0.0056111,0.0041,-0.0030222,0.0069889,0,-0.0076,0.0063889,-0.0016111,0.0014111,0.0020222,-1e-04,0.0006111,-0.0002444,-0.0011444,0.0019556,-0.0010111
Lebanese_Druze,0.00739,0.01383,-0.01317,-0.0217,-0.00509,-0.00903,-0.00103,-0.00231,-0.00113,0.00417,0.00317,-0.00202,0.00611,0.00147,-0.00506,0.00465,-0.0016,0.00066,0.00197,-0.00073,-0.00106,0.00157,2e-04,0.00209,-0.00049
Lebanese_Muslim,0.0066545,0.0132727,-0.0119455,-0.0208273,-0.0053545,-0.008,-0.0003364,-0.0025091,0.0002818,0.002,0.0028273,-0.0025545,0.0080818,0.0020364,-0.0063727,0.0029182,-0.0018091,0.0003273,0.0012909,0.0005636,-0.0013545,-0.0009273,-0.0025,0.0014636,-0.0005636
Saudi,0.0043444,0.0139,-0.0171333,-0.0359444,-0.0037667,-0.0172556,-0.0056889,-0.0035444,0.0252556,-0.0032333,0.0100333,-0.0212556,0.0426111,0.0015556,0.0023444,0.0205,-0.0169111,0.0033889,-0.0002556,0.0242,0.0104667,0.0136556,-0.0058444,0.0068667,-0.0081444
Assyrian,0.0086,0.013,-0.0164909,-0.0192909,-0.0103909,-0.0062182,0.0024727,-0.0024818,-0.0119818,-0.0020818,0.0026091,-0.0009818,0.0031727,-0.0002182,-0.0020273,0.0061,-0.0004636,9e-04,0.0009364,-0.004,-0.0022273,0.0018727,-9.09e-05,-0.0021182,0.0023818
Syrian,0.0056895,0.0124053,-0.0129474,-0.0188737,-0.0061789,-0.0070158,-0.0013632,-0.0010789,-0.0008158,-0.0010105,0.0014684,-0.0036158,0.0073526,0.0004211,-0.0020263,0.0038474,-0.0029263,-0.0005158,0.0016526,0.0002842,0.0012316,0.0001158,-0.0019421,-0.0006158,5.3e-06
Syrian_Jew,0.00765,0.01405,-0.0095,-0.0206,-0.0019,-0.0079,-0.00185,-0.00105,3e-04,0.0046,0.00395,3e-04,0.0037,-0.00015,-1e-04,6e-04,-0.00305,-0.002,-0.003,-0.00385,0.001,-0.00265,0.00245,-0.0015,0.00195
Palestinian,0.004,0.01322,-0.01255,-0.02415,-0.00411,-0.01066,-0.00265,-0.00086,0.00819,-0.00017,0.00504,-0.00643,0.01366,-0.00096,-7e-04,0.00735,-0.00154,-0.00139,7e-05,0.00203,0.00091,0.00427,-0.00013,0.00199,0.00154
Palestinian_Beit_Sahour,0.0077,0.01445,-0.01435,-0.0263,-0.0051,-0.0083,-0.0023,-0.0022,0.00575,0.00565,0.0021,-0.00385,0.00735,-0.0038,-0.0036,0.0109,0.00755,0.00155,-1e-04,-9e-04,-0.00135,0.00315,0.00285,0.00445,0.0028
Turkish_Adana,0.0084833,0.0092,-0.0089167,-0.0118667,-0.0091167,-0.0052167,0.0021,-0.0012333,-0.00865,-0.0014333,-6e-04,0.0013833,0.0005833,-0.00015,-0.00205,0.00025,0.00215,5e-04,0.0019167,-0.0040333,-0.0016667,-0.0010333,-0.0014,-0.0029333,0.00045
Turkish_Aydin,0.0083286,0.0060143,-0.0032857,-0.0111714,-0.0064429,-0.0051429,0.0014714,-4e-04,-0.0083143,-0.0009286,-0.0009429,-0.0001571,-0.0030286,0.0036286,-0.0043571,0.0011143,0.0022571,0.0003571,0.001,-0.0011429,-0.0027571,-0.0022429,-0.0030286,-0.0007429,-0.0013
Turkish_Balikesir,0.0086667,0.0058833,-0.00265,-0.0082667,-0.0059167,-0.0049167,0.0028333,0.0020167,-0.0076333,0.0020167,-3e-04,0.0025167,-0.0022167,0.00135,0.0009667,-0.0011,-0.0009833,0.00115,0.0028833,-0.0015667,-0.0043667,0.0007167,-0.00085,0.0007833,-0.0001667
Turkish_Balkans,0.00977,0.00985,0.00443,-0.00084,0.0027,-2e-04,0.00178,0.00204,-0.00275,2e-05,-0.00087,-0.00153,0.00157,0.00395,-0.00702,4e-04,0.004,0.00033,0.00287,-0.00111,-0.00587,0.00025,-0.00025,0.00186,0.00029
Turkish_Central,0.0085462,0.0082846,-0.0081077,-0.0125462,-0.0074231,-0.0047846,0.0014923,-0.0008462,-0.0103,-0.0011923,-0.0001846,0.0018615,-0.0024692,0.0006923,-0.0041692,-0.0011692,5e-04,0.0008769,0.0008462,-0.0014385,-0.0010769,0.0015231,-0.0014769,-0.0003846,0.0003692
Turkish_Istanbul,0.00923,0.00951,-0.00525,-0.00778,-0.00399,-0.00237,0.00182,-0.00015,-0.00761,0.00019,0.00063,0.00226,-0.00248,8e-04,-0.0045,-0.00117,0.00322,0.00161,0.00337,-0.00073,-0.00127,-7e-05,0.00075,-0.00054,0.00066
Turkish_Kayseri,0.00876,0.00961,-0.00905,-0.0142,-0.00787,-0.00437,0.00133,-0.00044,-0.0114,-0.00015,-0.00044,0.00025,-0.00084,0.00221,-0.00261,-7e-05,0.00058,0.00068,0.00159,-0.00276,-0.00144,0.00093,-0.00212,-0.00242,-0.00046
Turkish_North,0.00886,0.00552,-0.00588,-0.01058,-0.00884,-0.00424,0.00318,-0.00016,-0.01112,-0.0013,-0.00186,0.0024,-0.00444,0.00304,-0.00566,-0.00366,0.00024,0.00098,0.00106,-0.00322,-0.00522,0.0026,-0.00218,5e-04,-0.00192
Turkish_Northwest,0.00875,0.0063,-0.0036667,-0.00885,-0.00605,-0.0045,0.0022,-0.0003667,-0.00845,-0.0006167,-0.0014833,0.0011667,-0.00245,0.00145,-0.00235,0.00025,0.0062,-0.00065,-0.0004833,0.0010167,-0.0036833,6e-04,-0.0010667,0.0003667,0.0006667
Turkish_South,0.00826,0.0049,-0.0055,-0.01004,-0.00954,-0.00386,0.00342,-6e-05,-0.01014,-0.00158,-0.0011,1e-04,-0.00218,-0.00196,-0.00068,0.0032,0.00482,0.00096,-0.00036,-0.00018,-0.00246,0.00176,-0.00418,0.0036,0.00332
Turkish_Southwest,0.0083818,0.0057636,-0.0047182,-0.0096727,-0.0072545,-0.0041727,0.0022909,0.0002636,-0.0072909,0.0010182,-0.0007091,0.0004909,-0.002,-0.0007636,-0.0035909,0.0059273,0.0078364,0.0005909,0.0004636,-0.0003182,-0.0032182,-0.0017364,-0.0027545,0.0005818,-0.0015273
Turkish_Trabzon,0.0096,0.0137,-0.01432,-0.01884,-0.00788,-0.00594,0.00212,-0.00322,-0.01774,0.00024,0.00198,0.00442,-0.00584,0.00392,-0.0076,-0.00674,0.00642,4e-04,8e-04,0.00152,0.00506,-5e-04,0.00134,-0.00342,-6e-04
Greek_Central_Anatolia,0.0096667,0.0142,-0.0098667,-0.0183333,-0.0043333,-0.0072,0.0013333,-0.0013,-0.0096,0.0063333,0.0033,0.0033,-0.0046333,0.0036333,-0.0081333,8e-04,0.0074,0.0019667,0.0035667,-0.0021,0.0019667,0.0037667,-0.0002333,-3e-04,-6e-04
Greek_Central_Macedonia,0.0104941,0.0140294,0.0041824,-0.0051059,0.0069353,-0.0012765,0.0008647,0,0.0004294,0.0066294,0.0006118,0.0012294,-0.0009706,0.0050882,-0.0124941,-0.0004118,0.0075235,7.06e-05,0.0040294,-0.0028412,-0.0062765,0.0012176,0.0026294,0.0004588,-0.0006059
Greek_Crete,0.0094091,0.0144091,-0.0044636,-0.0144364,0.0018727,-0.0055091,0.0009364,-0.0005636,-0.0014636,0.0071,0.0008545,0.0018545,-0.0006455,0.0031909,-0.0090455,-0.0029182,0.0011727,0.0007091,0.0032273,-0.0044364,-0.0040818,0.0011455,-0.0006091,-0.001,-0.0016364
Greek_Izmir,0.01007,0.01421,-0.00064,-0.01069,0.00487,-0.00452,0.00107,-0.00065,-0.00112,0.00825,0.00117,0.00209,-0.00231,0.00135,-0.00956,0.00015,0.00827,-9e-05,0.00471,-0.00244,-0.00484,0.00156,0.00017,0.00195,-0.00251
Greek_Kos,0.0094556,0.0144222,-0.0058444,-0.0166778,0.0013333,-0.0065444,0.0003667,-0.0016,-0.0029333,0.0092111,0.0016333,0.0021,-0.0026333,7e-04,-0.0078111,0.0022556,0.0076778,0.0007444,0.0029556,-0.0029111,-0.0030556,0.0013556,-0.0001444,-0.0011667,-0.0017667
Greek_Peloponnese,0.0104,0.0141667,0.001,-0.0100667,0.0051667,-0.0037333,7e-04,-4e-04,-2e-04,0.0099333,6.67e-05,0.0026333,-0.0039667,0.0027,-0.0120667,0.0018,0.0103,0.0002667,0.0073,-0.0005667,-0.0074333,0.0032333,0.0011333,-1e-04,-0.0028333
Greek_Thessaly,0.0104667,0.0143,0.0036333,-0.0062,0.0061333,-0.0018333,0.0002333,0.0003333,0,0.0103,0.0016333,0.0027333,-0.0049,0.0041333,-0.0067,-0.0031667,0.0016333,-0.0004333,0.0033,-0.0042667,-0.0056,0.0010333,0.0029,0.0011667,-0.0028
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Target: Xabier
Distance: 1.3253% / 0.01325263
50.6 Swiss_French
22.2 Spanish_Soria
10.8 French_Brittany
8.6 Italian_Liguria
7.8 Berber_MAR_TIZ

[Samnium]

Is there Roman influence in Alsace, early Roman like or Imperial?

Yes some. Imperial era. Even though Gaul had been conquered dozens of years BC.

[Adamastor]

Yes some. Imperial era. Even though Gaul had been conquered dozens of years BC.

I believe Romans were already East Mediterraneans by the late Republic, if samples in the beggining of Imperial Era can be modeled as 50% Middle Eastern, it means the admixture started very early. The ones actually coming out as SW Europeans are proto-Roman Iron Age Latin tribes, not fullblown Republican Romans living between 509 and 27 B.C.

[Samnium]

I believe Romans were already East Mediterraneans by the late Republic, if samples in the beggining of Imperial Era can be modeled as 50% Middle Eastern, it means the admixture started very early. The ones actually coming out as SW Europeans are proto-Roman Iron Age Latin tribes, not fullblown Republican Romans living between 509 and 27 B.C.

Yes but I think that the influence reaches a peak in Imperial era in France, especially for Northern regions.

And I must say one thing : 50% Druze/Lebanese, that have already 40% European DNA, so it's only around 25% "ME" not 50%.

[Adamastor]

Yes but I think that the influence reaches a peak in Imperial era in France, especially for Northern regions.

And I must say one thing : 50% Druze/Lebanese, that have already 40% European DNA, so it's only around 25% "ME" not 50%.

Labelling this or that type of DNA ''European'' in the case of Levantines is mental gymnastics. Also, some Imperial samples can be modeled as 75% Syrian, there's even a fucking Bedouin-like sample. I'd say Levantines are 0% European, their genetics are similar to their ancient ancestors like Arameans, Phoenicians and other Caananite tribes, with more Arabian admixture in some of them.

Levantines are mostly Natufian with Iran_N and some other small influences.

[Samnium]

Labelling this or that type of DNA ''European'' in the case of Levantines is mental gymnastics. Also, some Imperial samples can be modeled as 75% Syrian, there's even a fucking Bedouin-like sample.

Migrants and migrants, we don't know what Imperial Romans would have looked like on average but surely not Bedouin-like.

And no it's not "mental gymnastics", EEF is an european component and Druze/Lebanese have 30% of it (nearly a bit less with tiny Steppe), therefore you can't say "50%" ME, it's just not true.


What make closer Levantines to Europeans it's precisely their EEF component.

I'd say Levantines are 0% European

Professional studies disagree with that.

[Adamastor]

Migrants and migrants, we don't know what Imperial Romans would have looked like on average but surely not Bedouin-like.

I did not said that, just that there was a heavy MENA racial influence in Imperial Rome.

And no it's not "mental gymnastics", EEF is an european component and Druze/Lebanese have 30% of it (nearly a bit less with tiny Steppe), therefore you can't say "50%" ME, it's just not true.

''EEF'' in Levantines is almost entirely of post-Natufian neolithic stock, it's more ENF than EEF, they score very little true European admixture, that's why they barely score WHG even being mostly Neolithic. Levantines are full Middle Easterners. It's not that Levantines are part-European, people mixed with them are actually Middle Eastern admixed.

If one can be modeled as half-Syrian, that person is 50% Middle Eastern.

[Samnium]

I did not said that, just that there was a heavy MENA racial influence in Imperial Rome.

We would need more samples to be sure. First we don't have any clue about social position of these samples, and they come predominantly from cities. I think that Roman era had some impact but it's clearly over-estimated and over-stated.

Also one thing : I don't believe that all inhabitants of Lazio looked like the Iron Age samples, there were autochtonous populations aside with Italic one, it would be interesting to sample them to see what they would have looked like.

''EEF'' in Levantines is almost entirely of post-Natufian neolithic stock, it's more ENF than EEF, they score very little true European admixture

Studies can model them with a fairly decent of EEF admixture, you can't say "they score very little true European admixture" unless you imply that the only European admixture is WHG or Steppe. And they score also a tiny amount of Steppe (around 5% I believe).

that's why they barely score WHG even being mostly Neolithic.

Actually there are Levantines that score WHG.

It's not that Levantines are part-European, people mixed with them are actually Middle Eastern admixed.

It's both way, people that have significant post-Neolithic Levant and Levantines that have clearly European influence.