Hungarians -post your K13/K15

[Turul Karom]

Everyone!

Mr. G and I are preparing plotting points and a spreadsheet for a new thread about Hungarian genetics. It will be for the newly updated calculators Dodecad K12 b and HarappaWorld. The choice was inspired by talking to other Hungarians and 17571imre, that these calculators would be interesting for modeling Hungarian genetics accurately with the new updates.

I'll make a thread when we are ready to start plotting.

I'm not nailing Mr. G to the duty of plotting everyone either if something goes wrong; we will figure it out regardless.

Looking forward to seeing everyone's results and primary/mixed mode populations!

[Turul Karom]

Anyone have any idea on what could be going wrong with the updated Dodecad k12b PCA I'm trying to plot?

I have been using my data and the data of Mr.G for testing, but it seems like the populations all map so oddly. For example, zooming in we see Uzbeks closest to Ethiopians and Ethiopian Jews. What?

All I did was copy over Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet data into https://vahaduo.github.io/custompca/ for the source, and under PCA PLOT clicked "RUN PCA" then "PLOT PCA". I also put our data in under the "projected" tab.

I also don't understand what X: PCA 1 and Y: PCA 2 mean. Adjusting them radically changes how all of the populations cluster.

Can anyone explain what could be happening?

[Turul Karom]

Will you do the plotting map? I would like to see how far am I from the rest.

I am trying to figure it out now. Right now all I have is some weird overlaps with populations that clearly don't belong next to one another (Uzbeks and Ethiopians are closest to one another?), as you can see from the pics above. I can't seem to figure it out and all of the examples online or the Eurogenes blog about custom PCAs don't relate to what I am trying to do.

I can try deleting everything but the "Hungarian" sample and seeing how we all spiral around it, but that removes all of the other ethnic populations for reference too and if there is something wrong with how I am entering the data, using the calculator, or adjusting the X-Y PCA numbers (1-10, which I also don't understand the significance of), then there isn't a reason to even trust the results.

If anyone has suggestions or knows better, I am all ears and would be more than happy to plot everyone. I'm also open to other plotting tools if there are better ones.

[TheMaestro]

I am trying to figure it out now. Right now all I have is some weird overlaps with populations that clearly don't belong next to one another (Uzbeks and Ethiopians are closest to one another?), as you can see from the pics above. I can't seem to figure it out and all of the examples online or the Eurogenes blog about custom PCAs don't relate to what I am trying to do.

I can try deleting everything but the "Hungarian" sample and seeing how we all spiral around it, but that removes all of the other ethnic populations for reference too and if there is something wrong with how I am entering the data, using the calculator, or adjusting the X-Y PCA numbers (1-10, which I also don't understand the significance of), then there isn't a reason to even trust the results.

If anyone has suggestions or knows better, I am all ears and would be more than happy to plot everyone. I'm also open to other plotting tools if there are better ones.

Bocs, I literally have no idea how to work with that, all I can do is go
give you my results, but Im literally illiterate in this, baratom.

[Chris596]

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):



# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.12
2 North_Atlantic 24.09
3 East_Med 17.62
4 West_Med 16.39
5 West_Asian 9.84
6 East_Asian 1.64
7 Sub-Saharan 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.89
2 Romanian 5.87
3 Bulgarian 6.94
4 Moldavian 7.53
5 Croatian 9.77
6 Hungarian 10.72
7 Austrian 14.38
8 East_German 15.65
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.73
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.06
11 South_Polish 16.52
12 Ukrainian 16.92
13 North_Italian 19.81
14 West_German 19.83
15 Southwest_Russian 19.9
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.1
17 Polish 20.13
18 Tuscan 20.61
19 French 21.39
20 South_Dutch 21.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Ukrainian @ 2.62
2 71.8% Bulgarian + 28.2% South_Polish @ 2.63
3 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Belorussian @ 2.67
4 81.1% Bulgarian + 18.9% Lithuanian @ 2.72
5 77.7% Bulgarian + 22.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.76
6 75.9% Bulgarian + 24.1% Polish @ 2.81
7 77.5% Bulgarian + 22.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.87
8 81% Bulgarian + 19% Estonian @ 2.87
9 75.8% Bulgarian + 24.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.92
10 76.1% Bulgarian + 23.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.99
11 59.8% Bulgarian + 40.2% Croatian @ 3.03
12 71.8% Bulgarian + 28.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.16
13 81.6% Bulgarian + 18.4% Finnish @ 3.32
14 61.7% Ukrainian + 38.3% South_Italian @ 3.33
15 51.9% Greek_Thessaly + 48.1% Ukrainian @ 3.37
16 57.5% Ukrainian + 42.5% Central_Greek @ 3.38
17 51.3% Greek_Thessaly + 48.7% South_Polish @ 3.41
18 80.6% Romanian + 19.4% Southwest_Russian @ 3.5
19 82.4% Bulgarian + 17.6% East_Finnish @ 3.51
20 80.8% Romanian + 19.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.52

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Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.98
2 Atlantic 18.82
3 East_Med 13.49
4 North_Sea 13.16
5 West_Med 11.41
6 West_Asian 9.63
7 Eastern_Euro 9.38
8 Southeast_Asian 1.03
9 Sub-Saharan 0.08
10 Northeast_African 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 7.65
2 Bulgarian 7.68
3 Serbian 9.48
4 Croatian 9.68
5 Moldavian 10.06
6 Austrian 11.25
7 Hungarian 12.22
8 Greek 15.39
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.45
10 South_Polish 15.48
11 Greek_Thessaly 16.07
12 East_German 16.32
13 Ukrainian 16.46
14 Russian_Smolensk 17.27
15 Polish 17.86
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.89
17 Southwest_Russian 18.55
18 North_Italian 18.68
19 Tuscan 18.96
20 Belorussian 19.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Lithuanian @ 4.54
2 75.8% Bulgarian + 24.2% Belorussian @ 4.74
3 73.4% Bulgarian + 26.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.78
4 60.2% Greek + 39.8% Lithuanian @ 4.78
5 76.6% Bulgarian + 23.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.96
6 53.2% Greek + 46.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.96
7 56.5% Greek + 43.5% Belorussian @ 5.04
8 75.1% Bulgarian + 24.9% Polish @ 5.17
9 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% South_Polish @ 5.25
10 59.2% Russian_Smolensk + 40.8% South_Italian @ 5.27
11 76.2% Bulgarian + 23.8% Southwest_Russian @ 5.31
12 75.5% Bulgarian + 24.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.33
13 59.5% Bulgarian + 40.5% Croatian @ 5.4
14 52.1% Lithuanian + 47.9% South_Italian @ 5.4
15 50.2% Greek + 49.8% South_Polish @ 5.45
16 80.6% Bulgarian + 19.4% Estonian @ 5.45
17 57% Greek + 43% Estonian_Polish @ 5.5
18 54.2% Greek + 45.8% Polish @ 5.5
19 55.9% Belorussian + 44.1% South_Italian @ 5.51
20 52.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 47.5% Lithuanian @ 5.57

[Chris596]

New results using the better 23andme data format

K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.42
2 North_Atlantic 24.56
3 East_Med 15.56
4 West_Med 15.47
5 West_Asian 10.6
6 East_Asian 1.61
7 Siberian 1.22
8 Sub-Saharan 0.31
9 Red_Sea 0.24

K15

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.24
2 Atlantic 17.80
3 North_Sea 14.98
4 East_Med 11.22
5 West_Med 10.77
6 West_Asian 10.56
7 Eastern_Euro 9.95
8 Southeast_Asian 1.31
9 Siberian 0.71
10 Red_Sea 0.36
11 Sub-Saharan 0.1

I'm still very Balkan shifted, but I'm closer to Hungarians now on these calcs. One thing that I've noticed: in general I get less Atlantic and more East-Asian than other Hungarian members here (?)

[magicalM]

Here are my k13 qnd k15 values

I dont see me in any of the plottings. Is it still possible to add me?
Thanks!
Population (k13)
North_Atlantic 35.94 Pct
Baltic 29.65 Pct
West_Med 14.54 Pct
West_Asian 10.62 Pct
East_Med 5.40 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.95 Pct
East_Asian 0.99 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.55 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.34 Pct

k15
Population
North_Sea 29.34 Pct
Atlantic 17.50 Pct
Baltic 15.03 Pct
Eastern_Euro 13.75 Pct
West_Med 10.82 Pct
West_Asian 7.62 Pct
East_Med 3.48 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.69 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.06 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.30 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.41 Pct

[Universe]

My results:

k13

Spoiler!

1 Baltic 39.52
2 North_Atlantic 28.69
3 East_Med 13.02
4 West_Med 11.43
5 West_Asian 3.62
6 Red_Sea 2.3
7 Northeast_African 0.72
8 Siberian 0.48
9 Oceanian 0.23

k15

Spoiler!

1 Baltic 23.39
2 North_Sea 21.78
3 Atlantic 16.63
4 Eastern_Euro 16.38
5 East_Med 9.64
6 West_Med 7.66
7 West_Asian 2.69
8 Red_Sea 1.44
9 Northeast_African 0.38

[Dunai]

My results:

k13

Spoiler!

1 Baltic 39.52
2 North_Atlantic 28.69
3 East_Med 13.02
4 West_Med 11.43
5 West_Asian 3.62
6 Red_Sea 2.3
7 Northeast_African 0.72
8 Siberian 0.48
9 Oceanian 0.23

k15

Spoiler!

1 Baltic 23.39
2 North_Sea 21.78
3 Atlantic 16.63
4 Eastern_Euro 16.38
5 East_Med 9.64
6 West_Med 7.66
7 West_Asian 2.69
8 Red_Sea 1.44
9 Northeast_African 0.38

If you are of largely Hungarian ethnic background your K13 Baltic is by far one of the very highest in any Hungarian results I've seen (and I've seen way over 200), otherwise quite normal percentages, maybe with the exception of rather low West Asian. Do you have any known Slavic grandparents?

[Universe]

Do you have any known Slavic grandparents?

Yes, I do.

I'm giving a detailed answer here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6801876