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    Had nothing to do with any Romanian Academia, in the beginning of the XIXth century, the boyars were able to send their sons to learn in Paris. They returned and started printing newspapers and books and because they were educated in French, they used so many neologisms that they created almost a new language that peasants had trouble understanding. But that seem to be available for a lot of languages. Just watch the news in languages of Eastern Europe and you can spot as many neologisms in those languages as in Romanian and usually the same words.

    Basic vocabulary stayed the same though with a few exceptions and the basic vocabulary is of Latin origin.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appen..._Swadesh_lists

    That list has several errors, but is a good example.

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    You can't assimilate free spirited peoples AKA Vlachs since they were pretty much nomadic after the collapse of the Roman empire in the Balkans by the Avars and their Slavic underlings in the early middle ages. The thing is that Romanians are genetically partially Slavic as well, so the contact between the Latin speakers and the Slavs of modern day Bulgaria wasn't based on warfare and conquest but rather based on cultural exchanges between the two. The most compelling theory of the origins of Romanians is that their ancestors arrived to Romania from Bulgaria who had been a mixture between the native Latinized paleo-Balkan peoples like Thracians and even Dacians to some extent and the Slavic migrants to the region which had kept their language while those that didn't became the modern day Bulgarians. The cultural similarities between Romanians and Bulgarians shouldn't be underestimated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    You can't assimilate free spirited peoples AKA Vlachs since they were pretty much nomadic after the collapse of the Roman empire in the Balkans by the Avars and their Slavic underlings in the early middle ages.
    Vlachs never were nomadic. Not even Vlach shepherds were nomadic. Shepherds families always had a stable home, more often than other peasants, because they were richer. You would not call an airline pilot or a businessman a nomad simply because their job requires them to leave home for extended periods of time. You shouldn't do it for shepherds either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    Vlachs never were nomadic. Not even Vlach shepherds were nomadic. Shepherds families always had a stable home, more often than other peasants, because they were richer. You would not call an airline pilot or a businessman a nomad simply because their job requires them to leave home for extended periods of time. You shouldn't do it for shepherds either.
    By nomadic I never mean as literally nomadic but rather were a people who moved around every now and then which is why you can find them living in many Balkan countries like Serbia or even Greece too.

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    what you now name Romanians in many regions of the country are just Romanianized and Romanian/Vlach-mixed Ukrainians, Russians, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Serbs, Slovaks, Poles, Gypsies, Greeks, Albanians, Armenians, Germans and Jews.

    the original Romanian region is Oltenia, all the rest of the territory had shared inhabitance of Vlachs with other peoples, often Vlachs beginning as a minority (Dobrudja, Bucovina, parts of Moldova, most of Transylvania, Maramures etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    By nomadic I never mean as literally nomadic but rather were a people who moved around every now and then which is why you can find them living in many Balkan countries like Serbia or even Greece too.
    Calling Vlachs nomadic is not only wrong but also culturally insensitive. For a long time supposed Vlach nomadism was used as a political tool to forcefully assimilate Vlachs in the Balkans and Transylvania.

    Just don't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    Calling Vlachs nomadic is not only wrong but also culturally insensitive. For a long time supposed Vlach nomadism was used as a political tool to forcefully assimilate Vlachs in the Balkans and Transylvania.

    Just don't do it.
    Alright. I'll just say that they're a mobile people and so on. My bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    Calling Vlachs nomadic is not only wrong but also culturally insensitive. For a long time supposed Vlach nomadism was used as a political tool to forcefully assimilate Vlachs in the Balkans and Transylvania.

    Just don't do it.
    nomads = gypsies for most people and Vlachs most certainly were nothing like that. but Vlachs have expanded a whole lot, from their original place in today's northern Greece, Macedonia and southern Serbia up to Poland and Czechoslovakia... with their flocks (cu flocii lor)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurzat View Post
    what you now name Romanians in many regions of the country are just Romanianized and Romanian/Vlach-mixed Ukrainians, Russians, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Serbs, Slovaks, Poles, Gypsies, Greeks, Albanians, Armenians, Germans and Jews.

    the original Romanian region is Oltenia, all the rest of the territory had shared inhabitance of Vlachs with other peoples, often Vlachs beginning as a minority (Dobrudja, Bucovina, parts of Moldova, most of Transylvania, Maramures etc).
    That's quite incorrect - in 2 ways:

    1. The original places Vlachs used to live (north of Danube) are the mountainous areas of Romania, not just the mountains of Oltenia.

    2. while Vlachs were not always the majority they still were the majority-minority, even in Dobrogea, the region of Romania held the longest by the Ottomans (the other one is Banat).

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