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    Quote Originally Posted by -Scar- View Post
    It isn't meant to be taken literally, the key is to use the right samples. A Sicilian and be modeled as half Lebanese and half central European (I suppose).
    Using ''right samples'' as you say, I get very poor fit. In this I have to agree with XP. It seems we are lot more mixed anciently than we would like.
    Many people prefer (including me) for example use only few samples which I know make sense historically for Croats (like Slavic and Illyrian for southerners and nothing else), but than you see fit isn't that good and that we are simply not honest with ourself. You'll need more different populations to lower it and come closer to your actual mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Using ''right samples'' as you say, I get very poor fit. In this I have to agree with XP. It seems we are lot more mixed anciently than we would like.
    Many people prefer (including me) for example use only few samples which I know make sense historically for Croats (like Slavic and Illyrian for southerners and nothing else), but than you see fit isn't that good and that we are simply not honest with ourself. You'll need more different populations to lower it and come closer to your actual mix.
    I think we should wait to know which model is better. But using Caucasian and Baltic, which had absolutely no historical relations with the Dalmatia is wishfull thinking in my opinion. But no one knows exactly. I think Germano-Slavic vs Italo-Illyrian should be it, other elements are insignificant. And we can assume most of Germano-Slavic comes from Slavs themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Using ''right samples'' as you say, I get very poor fit. In this I have to agree with XP. It seems we are lot more mixed anciently than we would like.
    Many people prefer (including me) for example use only few samples which I know make sense historically for Croats (like Slavic and Illyrian for southerners and nothing else), but than you see fit isn't that good and that we are simply not honest with ourself. You'll need more different populations to lower it and come closer to your actual mix.
    I think we should wait to know which model is better. But using Caucasian and Baltic, which had absolutely no historical relations with the Dalmatia is wishfull thinking in my opinion. But no one knows exactly. I think Germano-Slavic vs Italo-Illyrian should be it, other elements are insignificant. And we can assume most of Germano-Slavic comes from Slavs themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Well you are very Slavic on this and less Germanic than I would expect.
    Actually your model gives me very similar % of NW Euro as my 23andMe (14%):

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    While Aren's model is closer to my 36-41% NW Euro in DNA Tribes or DNA Land:



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    I think what it shows is that Early Czech Slav and "Avars" had some NW Euro-like DNA.

    Just like "Polish average" which is already included in East Euro reference by 23andMe.

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    So the difference is due to including (or not) West Slavs among reference populations.

    DNA Tribes & DNA Land model me as Belarusian + Germanic, Polish is not used there.
    Last edited by Peterski; 05-30-2020 at 06:03 AM.

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    I have black hair and dark brown eyes.

    Distance: 2.8549% / 0.02854871 | ADC: 0.25x
    92.6 Slavic
    4.2 Baltic
    3.2 Greco-Roman

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    Distance: 1.9606% / 0.01960562 | ADC: 0.25x
    75.2 Slavic
    15.2 Balkan
    9.6 Greco-Roman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art23 View Post
    I have black hair and dark brown eyes.

    Distance: 2.8549% / 0.02854871 | ADC: 0.25x
    92.6Slavic
    4.2Baltic
    3.2Greco-Roman

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    Distance: 1.9606% / 0.01960562 | ADC: 0.25x
    75.2Slavic
    15.2Balkan
    9.6Greco-Roman
    Is your mother Rusyn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Scar- View Post
    I think we should wait to know which model is better. But using Caucasian and Baltic, which had absolutely no historical relations with the Dalmatia is wishfull thinking in my opinion. But no one knows exactly. I think Germano-Slavic vs Italo-Illyrian should be it, other elements are insignificant. And we can assume most of Germano-Slavic comes from Slavs themselves.
    No group is autosomally completely homogenous. Early Slavs seem to have been similar to modern Ukrainians and pretty homogenous at that, but we can guess some Early Slavic individuals were also Baltic-like or West Slavic-like before migrating and mixing with anybody.

    Let's not even mention pre-Slavic Balkanians who ranged from Basque-like to Sardinian-like to Levantine. And all this still hasn't evened out. You can take two Serbs from the same village and one will be 50% Ukrainian + 50% North_Italian, and the other 60% Ukrainian + 40% South Italian, despite living next to each other.
    66.1% Ukrainian + 33.9% South_Italian

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Scar- View Post
    I think we should wait to know which model is better. But using Caucasian and Baltic, which had absolutely no historical relations with the Dalmatia is wishfull thinking in my opinion. But no one knows exactly. I think Germano-Slavic vs Italo-Illyrian should be it, other elements are insignificant. And we can assume most of Germano-Slavic comes from Slavs themselves.
    I didn't "use" anything, I let Vahaduo chose fitting samples for me from entire spreadsheet. Wishful thinking lmao. It is exact oposite. And obviously Baltic is Slavic, that's why I named it Balto-Slavic since no Balts migrated here. But I highly doubt Slavic migrants here were homogenous as they came with many tribes and wawes.

    I am 50% Dalmatian and 75% Croat.

    My ancestry is very complicated and that is why I can't get good model with using few preselected populations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Is your mother Rusyn?
    No, she is more eastern. I am still researching her genealogy. I have a hint for possible Bulgarian ancestry. This could explain all the Balkan/Greco-Roman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art23 View Post
    No, she is more eastern. I am still researching her genealogy. I have a hint for possible Bulgarian ancestry. This could explain all the Balkan/Greco-Roman.
    Okay, either Bulgarian or Vlach. I'd say Vlach is more likely based on you being from Ukraine. Are her origins also in east Ukraine?

    Anyways, now it makes sense that you get Slovak as your top population on G25. I thought it was weird for a Ukrainian (especially an eastern one) to be closer to Slovaks and Poles than to Russians, but now it makes sense.

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