Polish Gedmatch Results

[vbnetkhio]

A thread to share Polish Gedmatch results.
Please post results with at least 3/4 grandparents from one region, unless it's some very rare or interesting result.

here is what I collected so far:

results:

GreaterPoland1,28.48,45.76,12.79,4.64,5.75,0,1.01,0,0,0.2,1.14,0,0.24
GreaterPoland2,28.48,45.76,12.79,4.64,5.75,0,1.01,0,0,0.2,1.14,0,0.24
GreaterPoland3,30.22,43.8,10.79,3.43,6.32,0.7,1.7,0,0.78,1.02,0,1.24,0
GreaterPoland4,31.38,45.21,7.03,4.11,6.49,2.71,0,0.52,0.95,0,0.78,0.83,0
GreaterPoland5,31.95,42.05,9.49,7.66,6.9,0,1.23,0,0,0.43,0,0.29,0
GreaterPoland6,32,44.64,10.61,2.65,5.92,1.75,1,0,0,0.91,0.49,0,0
GreaterPoland7,32.25,42.21,8.25,7.88,5.46,1.03,1.05,0,0.18,1.14,0,0.51,0
GreaterPoland8,32.25,42.35,10.21,7.45,4.14,1.41,1.48,0,0,0.53,0,0,0.18
GreaterPoland9,33.03,40.21,9.63,5.09,8.98,0,0.69,0.43,0,0.35,0.45,1.15,0
GreaterPoland10,33.17,46.79,11.29,4.2,1.43,0,0.23,0,0.48,1.11,1.31,0,0
Kujawy1,28.72,49.16,11.58,3.92,2.59,0,1.41,0.2,1.31,0.32,0,0.78,0
Kujawy2,30.71,45.75,9.58,5.87,1.88,2,1.69,0,0,1.64,0,0.87,0
Kujawy3,34.42,43.12,7.39,4.88,6.38,1.95,0,0.61,0.78,0.47,0,0,0
Kujawy4,33.45,43.62,11.26,3.95,2.47,1.91,0.97,0,1.06,1.3,0,0,0
LesserPoland1,31.98,41.01,13.44,3.35,7.57,0,0.19,0,0.24,1.62,0.29,0.14,0.15
LesserPoland2,34.16,44.42,9.1,4.78,4.66,0.13,0,0.14,0.51,0.71,0.66,0.33,0.38
LesserPoland3,31.43,42.56,11.67,7.01,5.1,0.43,0,0.09,0.19,0.02,0.92,0.48,0.09
Lodz,30.81,38.84,14.22,4.31,7.33,1.77,0,0.18,0,1.21,0.98,0,0.37
LowerSilesia,28.53,43.29,12.88,8.2,3.34,0.07,1.92,0,0.59,0,1.18,0,0
Lublin,28.31,42.13,11.76,5.79,7.72,0.76,0.53,0,2.74,0,0.27,0,0
Mazovia1,24.29,50.25,7.62,7.89,4.36,2.42,0.82,0.08,0.32,1.51,0.38,0,0
Mazovia2,25.69,48.72,8.39,6.08,7.92,0,0.81,0,0.27,1.04,1.02,0,0.07
Mazovia3,25.71,51.74,11.66,3.77,3.35,0.19,1.27,0.48,0.6,0.93,0,0,0.3
Mazovia4,26.07,48.97,8.4,6.41,5.69,1.08,0,0,0.99,1.05,0.4,0.94,0
Mazovia5,27.05,48.67,8.23,5.87,7.14,0,0.78,0,0.9,0.3,1.06,0,0
Mazovia6,27.07,48.34,13.02,2.97,4.36,0,0,0.52,1.27,0.52,0.39,0,1.55
Mazovia7,28.15,46.77,10.42,4.72,5.71,0,1.68,0,0.46,1.03,0.96,0.1,0
Mazovia8,30.09,39.9,11.03,4.61,9.69,0.6,2.03,0,0.09,0.18,0.86,0.71,0.17
Mazovia9,30.65,44.46,11.48,6.17,2.8,0.95,2.76,0.29,0.44,0,0,0,0
Mazovia10,31.97,41.84,12.71,8.4,2.06,0.84,1.07,0.43,0,0.62,0.05,0,0
Mazovia11,32.72,43.44,9.2,5.09,4.98,0.44,1.53,0,1.78,0.06,0.2,0.26,0.32
Mazovia12,29.06,44.16,13.05,5.8,4.93,0,0.8,0,0.89,0,1.15,0,0.15
Podlaskie1,27.17,47.2,6.85,7.59,8.78,0,0.87,0,0.64,0.9,0,0,0
Podlaskie2,30.54,48.43,7.54,1.9,5.89,1.28,2.22,0,1.56,0,0.66,0,0
Podlaskie3,30.65,45.25,7.42,5.41,5.24,3.15,0.49,0,1.45,0,0.93,0,0
Podlaskie4,31.1,45.84,7.37,2.78,7.41,2.17,1.75,0,0.59,0.48,0.5,0,0
Silesia1,31.79,42.18,11.16,5.1,6.16,0.09,1.56,0,1.55,0.13,0,0.29,0
Silesia2,27.87,42.37,10.79,7.58,7.09,1.34,0,1.16,0.4,1.04,0.38,0,0
Silesia3,28.8,44.29,13.79,3.77,5.7,0.07,1.51,0,0,1.61,0.12,0.34,0
Subcarpathia,26.46,43.05,9.62,5.89,9.8,2.21,0.79,0,0.75,0.69,0.1,0.63,0

averages:

Polish_Mazovia,28.21,46.44,10.43,5.65,5.25,0.54,1.13,0.15,0.67,0.60,0.54,0.17,0.21
Polish_Podlaskie,29.87,46.68,7.30,4.42,6.83,1.65,1.33,0.00,1.06,0.35,0.52,0.00,0.00
Polish_GreaterPoland,31.32,43.88,10.29,5.18,5.71,0.76,0.94,0.10,0.24,0.59,0.53,0.40,0.07
Polish_LowerSilesia,28.53,43.29,12.88,8.20,3.34,0.07,1.92,0.00,0.59,0.00,1.18,0.00,0.00
Polish_Kujawy,31.83,45.41,9.95,4.66,3.33,1.47,1.02,0.20,0.79,0.93,0.00,0.41,0.00
Polish_Silesia,29.49,42.95,11.91,5.48,6.32,0.50,1.02,0.39,0.65,0.93,0.17,0.21,0.00
Polish_LesserPoland,32.52,42.66,11.40,5.05,5.78,0.19,0.06,0.08,0.31,0.78,0.62,0.32,0.21
Polish_Lodz,30.81,38.84,14.22,4.31,7.33,1.77,0.00,0.18,0.00,1.21,0.98,0.00,0.37
Polish_Lublin,28.31,42.13,11.76,5.79,7.72,0.76,0.53,0.00,2.74,0.00,0.27,0.00,0.00
Polish_Subcarpathia,26.46,43.05,9.62,5.89,9.80,2.21,0.79,0.00,0.75,0.69,0.10,0.63,0.00

[vbnetkhio]

PCA:

[Roy]

It seems like samples from Mazovia have like ~4% more of Baltic component on average. 46-50 vs 40-45 for Greater Poland.

[vbnetkhio]

It seems like samples from Mazovia have like ~4% more of Baltic component on average. 46-50 vs 40-45 for Greater Poland.

yeah. On the PCA Greater Poland looks like a more Germanic shifted Mazovia.

btw, should I add your result to any of the averages?

[michal3141]

Me (Lesser Poland up to greatgrandparents, still in some models I have slight Finnish and Gypsy admix):

michal3141_k13,26.44,44.92,10.38,5.90,5.19,1.62,1. 67,0.00,2.24,1.06,0.39,0.19,0.00

3.76002660 Mazovia7
4.64888159 Mazovia12
4.69573210 GreaterPoland1
4.69573210 GreaterPoland2
4.77315409 Silesia2
4.80225988 Lublin
5.11620953 Mazovia4
5.22721723 GreaterPoland3
5.38133812 LowerSilesia
5.39298619 Subcarpathia
5.39770322 Mazovia5
5.49865438 Silesia3
5.58601826 Mazovia9
5.71365907 Podlaskie3
5.84218281 Mazovia2
6.05244579 Kujawy2
6.13934036 Mazovia6
6.31989715 Kujawy1
6.32254696 Podlaskie1
6.49426670 Silesia1
6.57603984 LesserPoland3
6.81824024 Mazovia11
6.90596119 GreaterPoland6
6.94270120 GreaterPoland4
7.03521144 GreaterPoland8
7.04988652 Podlaskie4
7.11280535 Mazovia1
7.33521642 GreaterPoland5
7.40725320 GreaterPoland7
7.46985944 Podlaskie2
7.87567140 Mazovia3
8.06335538 Kujawy4
8.24297276 Mazovia8
8.24980606 Mazovia10
8.45002959 LesserPoland2
8.67906101 GreaterPoland10
8.75634627 LesserPoland1
9.17904134 Kujawy3
9.29094183 Lodz
9.56093615 GreaterPoland9

[vbnetkhio]

Me (Lesser Poland up to greatgrandparents, still in some models I have slight Finnish and Gypsy admix):

michal3141_k13,26.44,44.92,10.38,5.90,5.19,1.62,1. 67,0.00,2.24,1.06,0.39,0.19,0.00

3.76002660 Mazovia7
4.64888159 Mazovia12
4.69573210 GreaterPoland1
4.69573210 GreaterPoland2
4.77315409 Silesia2
4.80225988 Lublin
5.11620953 Mazovia4
5.22721723 GreaterPoland3
5.38133812 LowerSilesia
5.39298619 Subcarpathia
5.39770322 Mazovia5
5.49865438 Silesia3
5.58601826 Mazovia9
5.71365907 Podlaskie3
5.84218281 Mazovia2
6.05244579 Kujawy2
6.13934036 Mazovia6
6.31989715 Kujawy1
6.32254696 Podlaskie1
6.49426670 Silesia1
6.57603984 LesserPoland3
6.81824024 Mazovia11
6.90596119 GreaterPoland6
6.94270120 GreaterPoland4
7.03521144 GreaterPoland8
7.04988652 Podlaskie4
7.11280535 Mazovia1
7.33521642 GreaterPoland5
7.40725320 GreaterPoland7
7.46985944 Podlaskie2
7.87567140 Mazovia3
8.06335538 Kujawy4
8.24297276 Mazovia8
8.24980606 Mazovia10
8.45002959 LesserPoland2
8.67906101 GreaterPoland10
8.75634627 LesserPoland1
9.17904134 Kujawy3
9.29094183 Lodz
9.56093615 GreaterPoland9

your South Asian is normal for a Pole, a couple of these in the first post have even more than you. Siberian is a bit high, but that could also change with more samples.

[Peterski]

I sent you some kits from Radom area. Radom is now in Mazovian Voivodeship but historically it is part of Northern Lesser Poland.

And in the Inter-War Period Radom was part of the same voivodeship as Kielce (this region is sometimes known as "Staropolska").

The reason why they are not within the same voivodeship as Kielce today, is because people from these cities don't like each other.

They would be unable to achieve a compromise as to where the capital of the voivodeship should be located (in Radom or in Kielce).

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There is a similar problem in Kujawsko-Pomorskie - Toruń vs. Bydgoszcz are competing for the title of the leading city in that region.

[Peterski]

This entire area is the so called "Staropolska" (it is the Northern part of historical Małopolska - Northern Lesser Poland):

All Polish kits with 100% ancestry from this entire area can be merged into one average. The borders of this region are:

Vistula River in the east & south, Pilica River in the north, Warta River, Silesia & Szreniawa River in the west & southwest:

https://www.geografia24.eu/index.php...aleria_rzeki-1 - useful map of Polish rivers (with names)



^^^
Former administrative divisions followed the borders of this historical region:

1. Pre-WW2 Kielce Voivodeship:

http://www.radom.pl/page/file.php?id=1013



2. 1800s Radom Governorate:

http://www.radom.pl/page/file.php?id=1011

[Smitty]

Are there any kits from Pomerania or West Pomerania?

[Peterski]

Are there any kits from Pomerania or West Pomerania?

Ethnic German or Polish/Kashubian ones?