Turkic Migration to the Balkans

[Tauromachos]

Not sure if morea is Balkan, but by 1821 the only actual "Turks" in the region were 40,000 Albanian Muslims, who got deported a couple of decades later. The same as far as i know applies for central Greece

Once i read that the southernmost Turkic speaking place was almyros near volos

Most of Greece was occupied by Turks or Ottomans except of the Mani peninsular and some highland areas(Mountains) the later
obviously because they are difficult to access and can always serve or being used as a refuge for resisting follks.

Some resisting Greeks choose a semi nomadic way to escape to much controll by the Turks this applies
to the Sarakatsans

[brennus dux gallorum]

Most of Greece was occupied by Turks or Ottomans except of the Mani peninsular and some highland areas(Mountains) the later
obviously because they are difficult to access and can always serve or being used as a refuge for resisting follks.

Some resisting Greeks choose a semi nomadic way to escape to much controll by the Turks this applies
to the Sarakatsans

The thread is about Turkic tribe settlements, not occupation. The Albanian muslims were for the most part ottoman soldiers

Btw it was not only mani, Ionian islands have never been as well

[Sora]

As for their gene pool, you can look up these websites below;

https://turkishdnaproject.com/balkan-turkleri/
https://turkishdnaproject.com/yunanistan-turkleri/
https://turkishdnaproject.com/makedonya-turkleri/
https://turkishdnaproject.com/romanya-turkleri/

[Kaspias]

Here, in Naldöken group, we see that they have 52.500 population at the same time while Tanrıdağı has 100.000. But 10 years later it literally doubled. The influence of Celali Rebellions should be around ~60% regarding the growth rate.



What are the conclusions?

1- Tanrıdağı group settled before Naldöken. Registered Yörük population of Tanrıdağı radically reduced after the 1600s, while Naldöken rise in high amounts, thanks to Celali Rebellions.
2- Naldöken has 50k population at the beginning of the 17th century, and 100k towards the middle of the century. We can predict that Tanrıdağı also took the same amount of migration. In the 1650s, the total population including Tanrıdağı and Naldöken groups should be around 300.000.

[Thracian]

I believe that we can investigate demography with Tanrıdağı example:

In 1543, there are 328 Yörük organizations belongs to this subgroup. In 1586, it is 424.

What are the conclusions?

1- Yörük identification and nomad life preserved until the beginning of the 17th century. Then it started to disappear, as we see in 1642 registers. A point here is Yörüks in Western Thrace(including Eastern Macedonia and Western part of Edirne) preserved their identification more than the others. A clue for having more East Eurasian?
2- Celali Rebellions occurred in 1519, 1528 and 1506-1602 has an influence on the Turkic population around 20% degree.
3- At the beginning of the 17th century Tanrıdağı group had around 100.000 population.

Awesome work!

1- This is what I was saying. Most Turkmens resettled in balkans after Celali Rebellions, and to be fair, we are all mixed but some people even have really higher East Eurasian. That can not be indicates early settlements.
2- Not only because of Celali Rebellions but also some other rebellions causes less Turkic population in Eastern Anatolia.

[Kaspias]

Selanik group of Yörüks was core among early migrations. They were numbered around 100.000 in 1543 while the other two groups which we investigated less in that time period. We can assume that their population reached 250.000 towards 1650.

-> The point here I want to draw attention to is migrators who came with Celali Rebellions seem concentrated on today's Bulgarian's borders while during early migrations today's Greece was a more popular destination. This resulted in less Turkic input in Greece and North Macedonia, where Selanik Yörüks settled.

[Bosniensis]

If other Turks are like Kaspias, you are all welcome on Balkans

Nice Turk is better then cucked Greek.

[Cumansky]

Do Qizilbash samples even exist? Also Qizilbash weren't a uniform group. The biggest chunk was of Irano-Turkmen (Ustadjlou, Shamlu, Afshar, Qajar, Dulkadir etc.) origin while some other Qizilbash tribes were Kurdish, Persian or Talysh. The Iranianpeaking Qizilbash tribes were called "Tajik".

You can make model with Harappaworld vahaduo runner, Kizilbas sample is there. Their genome is probably a non uniform group but I am sure something survive from the Northern Central Asia

[Kyp]

You can make model with Harappaworld vahaduo runner, Kizilbas sample is there. Their genome is probably a non uniform group but I am sure something survive from the Northern Central Asia

Ah now I see.. I think it refers to an Afghan group who calls themselves Qizilbash to this day.

They are descendants of the troops left behind by Nadir Shah during his "Indian campaign" in 1738

[Kaspias]

Subject number in Ofçabolu and Vize were not too much. Ofçabolu Yörüks dissolved and joined Selanik Yörüks afterward. Vize Yörüks settled and left their nomadic tradition ~50-100 years before other Yörük organizations.

Their(both) population makes ~50.000 in total, in 1543. Vize region most probably hasn't targeted by Celali rebellions but Ofçabolu has. In this mean, their population should have reached ~100.000 towards 1650.





There is one more Yörük group to talk about: Kocacık Yörüks. This group also includes a huge amount of Tatar settlement inside, but for now, it is better to talk only about Yörüks.

Population of Yörüks belong this group reaches 50.000 around the 1580s. There is a 30% growth ratio between the 1540s and 80s. Considering the size of migration as we go to the 17th century and the region subjects located, it would not be wrong to say that the number should be between 150.000 and 200.000 towards 1650s.





This general information on them is in Turkish, can be helpful who try to understand the conditions of the period:




I'm going to provide an English review of what I posted till now, probably tomorrow.