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    Her name is URSULA VON DER LEYEN and she is about to become the next EU Commission President. She will be the equivalent of Donald Trump in the European Union: the most powerful person in Europe. And this is already official: on November 1st, she will take the oath. But who chose her? This is one of European Union’s biggest debate: who gets to chose Top EU’s leader? According to the treaty, the European Council is the one who decides this. The European Council is one of the three most important institutions in Brussels and it is formed by the prime ministers of all the country members. But what happens with the European Parliament, then? At the end of the day, this is the only institution Europeans get to vote for. In order to strengthen the EU parliament, there is a proposed system, the spitzenkandidaten. But many politicians like Emmanuel Macron, French president, are not very happy with it. Can we say the European Union is a real democracy if Von Der Leyen was chosen without being voted in? What’s the EU Commission’s president’s role? In this video we will answer those questions.


    Interesting links: https://www.economist.com/charlemagne... https://www.politico.eu/article/ursul... https://www.economist.com/europe/2019... https://es.euronews.com/2019/07/03/ha... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe...



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    Ok I have a question after reading this line... Assuming you're someone who's actually pro-EU, what is it you would like to see it become in an ideal world? Do you actually want it to be structured like the US with a powerful central government?
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    She will be the equivalent of Donald Trump in the European Union: the most powerful person in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westbrook View Post
    Ok I have a question after reading this line... Assuming you're someone who's actually pro-EU, what is it you would like to see it become in an ideal world? Do you actually want it to be structured like the US with a powerful central government?
    I think we should adopt some ideas, yes, but we should also have European-wide referendums and a strict separation between levels of government. The countries should not vote for either Parliament, Senate or President. This to keep national politicians out (because those have proven to be corrupt and plain idiotic) - voting should be done per the so-called NUTS1 regions who have a similar size when it comes to their population, this because it would break the Franco-German stranglehold over European politics. As for the countries ? Those continue to exist but but those would be as subject to federal law as your average U.S state.

    So in other words - there should no Dutch or German (national - often with a background in national politics where they fucked up things so badly that they were carted off to Brussels) MEP's but MEP's for Baden-Württemberg or West Netherlands. There should also be no national parties involved in European elections and no federal parties in national elections (and no national in local elections). Plus: I think that since politics has to be kept clean - it's time to clean up Brussels and ban lobbying of any sort since it's nothing but legalised bribery and corruption.



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    However as for URSULA VON DER LEYEN: was she chosen any differently than in any other country? Not really. Imagine if she was the prime minister of any country and in a national parliament you had similar result as in the EU election: you would probably get someone similar to her... European People's Party didn't win a majority so it had to negotiate with the other big players so that the EU Commission and its President gets voted and accepted by the EU Parliament. Like in many national elections, where coalition is coined, the prime minister/EU Commission President wasn't the head of the biggest party. He/she is chosen by a compromise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westbrook View Post
    Ok I have a question after reading this line... Assuming you're someone who's actually pro-EU, what is it you would like to see it become in an ideal world? Do you actually want it to be structured like the US with a powerful central government?
    The major power structure difference between Europe and US is presence of so-called 'old money' in Europe. It's European top tier aristocracy that are remnants of old feudal system. Just as in feudal system they live off land ownership. It's hard to tell exactly how much land they own as they use third parties to cover it up but some estimates put it in 50-60% of all land. They aren't richest in business world but much of other business - industrial and financial - only exist because 'old money' allowed it to. That position allowed them to exercise control over political life of the continent. They don't get involved much in business life so long as their rents are paid but their grip on power is tight.

    That's exactly the system American settlers were running away from. Hence in US this class simply doesn't exist. That's the reason top decision making in Europe will never be the same as in US no matter political organization of society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    The major power structure difference between Europe and US is presence of so-called 'old money' in Europe. It's European top tier aristocracy that are remnants of old feudal system. Just as in feudal system they live off land ownership. It's hard to tell exactly how much land they own as they use third parties to cover it up but some estimates put it in 50-60% of all land. They aren't richest in business world but much of other business - industrial and financial - only exist because 'old money' allowed it to. That position allowed them to exercise control over political life of the continent. They don't get involved much in business life so long as their rents are paid but their grip on power is tight.

    That's exactly the system American settlers were running away from. Hence in US this class simply doesn't exist. That's the reason top decision making in Europe will never be the same as in US no matter political organization of society.
    And it's that structure that needs to go. We are going to need another 1789 for that job though.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    And it's that structure that needs to go. We are going to need another 1789 for that job though.
    Absolutely. At least in the past their existence was justified by the need of security. Common folk fed everyone and aristocracy was doing all the fighting for everyone. That arrangement is long gone, that class doesn't serve any purpose other than leeching off productive classes.

    But it's next to impossible to change anything from within. One could go up in political hierarchy but the higher he reach the more he'll get entangled into pre-existing informal deals and arrangements. When everyone around is sticking to status quo it's impossible for one to change anything. Only a competent team driven by common ideas and supported by majority of population could change that. But competent teams are too busy chasing money these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    Absolutely. At least in the past their existence was justified by the need of security. Common folk fed everyone and aristocracy was doing all the fighting for everyone. That arrangement is long gone, that class doesn't serve any purpose other than leeching off productive classes.

    But it's next to impossible to change anything from within. One could go up in political hierarchy but the higher he reach the more he'll get entangled into pre-existing informal deals and arrangements. When everyone around is sticking to status quo it's impossible for one to change anything. Only a competent team driven by common ideas and supported by majority of population could change that. But competent teams are too busy chasing money these days.
    The problem is probably societal and there the U.S is no different from Sweden or Russia: it turns out that the same names always run the game. Even in Russia where a lot of Tsarist officials simply embraced the new regime and then their grandsons embraced "democracy".



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