Was Pletho Gemistus the First Hellene Tribalist??

**Anaximander** · 03-10-2020, 10:37 PM

From his page in Wikipedia:

Writings

One of Plethon's manuscripts (Biblioteca Nazionale Marciana, Venice)
Reform of the Peloponnese
Believing that the Peloponnesians were direct descendants of the ancient Hellenes, Plethon rejected Justinian's idea of a universal Empire in favour of recreating the Hellenistic civilization, the zenith of Greek influence.[20] In his 1415 and 1418 pamphlets he urged Manuel II and his son Theodore to turn the peninsula into a cultural island with a new constitution of strongly centralised monarchy advised by a small body of middle-class educated men. The army must be composed only of professional native Greek soldiers, who would be supported by the taxpayers, or "Helots" who would be exempt from military service. Land was to be publicly owned, and a third of all produce given to the state fund; incentives would be given for cultivating virgin land. Trade would be regulated and the use of coinage limited, barter instead being encouraged; locally available products would be supported over imports. Mutilation as a punishment would be abolished, and chain gangs introduced. Homosexuals and sexual deviants would be burnt at the stake. The social and political ideas in these pamphlets were largely derived from Plato's Republic. Plethon touched little on religion, although he expressed disdain for monks, who "render no service to the common good". He vaguely prescribed three religious principles: belief in a supreme being; that this being has concern for mankind; and that it is uninfluenced by gifts or flattery. Manuel and Theodore did not act on any of these reforms.

**~~Bosniensis~~** · 03-13-2020, 08:23 AM

He was Pagan therefore mentally challenged.

**Div** · 03-13-2020, 08:54 AM

Madman

**Anaximander** · 03-16-2020, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Div

Madman

Albos hate him ,because he tryed to replace Hellenism right?

**Div** · 03-16-2020, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by Anaximander

Albos hate him ,because he tryed to replace Hellenism right?

I doubt many Albanians know about him haha, I don't like him because he was a neopagan who took Platonism too seriously. Sorry but I like Plato, but there are things that I find very disturbing in his philosophy and if he was so adamant about replicating it I would not like it. As for the greek think, yeah he probably would support the same assimilation policies that Greece historically did to its Albanian and Slavic minorities.

**Anaximander** · 03-16-2020, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by Div

I doubt many Albanians know about him haha, I don't like him because he was a neopagan who took Platonism too seriously. Sorry but I like Plato, but there are things that I find very disturbing in his philosophy and if he was so adamant about replicating it I would not like it. As for the greek think, yeah he probably would support the same assimilation policies that Greece historically did to its Albanian and Slavic minorities.

What about the Greek, and Vlachic minorities in Albania??

**Div** · 03-16-2020, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anaximander

What about the Greek, and Vlachic minorities in Albania??

What about them? They get the rights they deserve as ethnic minorities, just as all countries should do to their ethnic minorities. Can we discuss another aspect, if you're going to be inquisitive Anaximander why didn't you ask me to elaborate on Plato? Is begging the question and provoking me to say horrible things something that gets you off?

**Anaximander** · 03-16-2020, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Div

What about them? They get the rights they deserve as ethnic minorities, just as all countries should do to their ethnic minorities. Can we discuss another aspect, if you're going to be inquisitive Anaximander why didn't you ask me to elaborate on Plato? Is begging the question and provoking me to say horrible things something that gets you off?

I didnt post him so much for his Plato works, but for his ethnic Hellenic ideologies.
He was the first Hellene national socialist, before national socialism was born as a idea.
He lived like a Hellene, and advocated for the Hellenic-Spartan way of life.
He is regarded as Hero here in Greece.
I just found it courious that 2 albanians, commented on this Thread.
Do u Albos hate him??

**Thanas Django** · 03-22-2020, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Bosniensis

He was Pagan therefore mentally challenged.

This is the type of unexamined arguments which present themselves as absolutes but are actually ignorant "muh football team" elliptic thinking.

No to mention that just a year ago you were posing with a Plethon Gemistos avatar using some of his quotes to attack Orthodoxy.

"I am a muslim. Muslims look down on pagans. I look down on pagans. This is the depth of your vision.

What a shitlord.

**Thanas Django** · 03-22-2020, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anaximander

I didnt post him so much for his Plato works, but for his ethnic Hellenic ideologies.
He was the first Hellene national socialist, before national socialism was born as a idea.
He lived like a Hellene, and advocated for the Hellenic-Spartan way of life.
He is regarded as Hero here in Greece.
I just found it courious that 2 albanians, commented on this Thread.
Do u Albos hate him??

Are there any saved works of his on Plato? Where can I find them?