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    I've just returned from a two week trip to Thailand, so I'm going to share with you my anthropological impressions of natives as well as foreigners (to be done later).

    Thais:

    There is a very powerful difference between North and South Thais. If you look on the map, there is a narrow strip of land that separates mainland from Malacca Peninsula, of which a part is now in Thailand.

    Northern Thais are exceptionally mixed: they look like a blend of AustroAsiatics (hence many similarities to Khmers and Burmese) and proto-Thai. Those that look AustroAsiatic have rectangular heads, shorter stature, stocky constitution, darkish pigmentation, many with underdeveloped/lacking epicanthic folds. Women belonging to this type are very ugly as a rule, but at the same time they have a few good traits such as gracile hands and feet. Those that look proto-Thai are quite tall, light skinned, boyish constitution and they all have epicanthic folds. They would be relatively similar to Southern Chinese, minus the flat nose and distanced eye sockets. Women belonging to this type are less ugly, but they don't have any shapes at all.

    Southern Thais blend above with indigenous Veddoid/Negrito. I was absolutely shocked to see nappy haired South African (Khoi) looking individuals, but they continue to exist even after 6000 years of Mongoloid migrations.

    Malays:

    A large section of Southern Thailand continues to be inhabited by Muslims, all of Malay origin (some have assimilated and now only speak Thai, though). Looks wise, they are not similar at all to Thais, even though both are Mongoloid: they are much shorter, all with olive complexion, softer featured. They are FAR better looking than Thais: women have shapes, feminine facial structure, but they also tend to fatten up. There is even a Caucasoid influence in some (I've seen people with green eyes!).

    Sea Gypsies or Moken

    The entire boating industry in SW Thailand is ran by indigenous Sea Gypsies (Moken), who traditionally spoke an Austronesian language very far from Malay. They look extremely different from Thais/Malays nearby: skin pigmentation is very dark, Veddoid features are omnipresent (some people look straight Australoid). Features wise, they resemble Polynesians or people of Eastern Indonesia. Those showing Negrito traits have a tendency to have brown hair color with blondish hues when young (similar to Melanesians).

    Chinese:

    In Bangkok in particular, I saw lots of ethnic Chinese: you could tell them apart of Thais easily. I would venture to say those that remained unmixed fit better as Mongolians or Koreans than Thais. To test my skills, I've asked all taxi drivers that drove me there about their ethnicities and I was spot on: I correctly identified someone from Isan (Lao) vs the Chinese. Apparently, there are lots of Chinese in Phuket, too, but they are so mixed with Thais you can't really tell them apart.

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    interesting observations. can you roughly estimate the percentage of chinese looking folks that you saw in thailand? I've read some stats that almost 40% of Thailand is of partial to full chinese descent but it might be over exaggerated.

    also how many folks looked indic/veddoid influenced among everyday thais?
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    I think they mostly look like intermediate between Koreans/Chinese & South Indian. And generally have double eyelids(as many Southeast Asians) & dark-skinned

    Some Thai people photos I've found on internet:













    a Thai Gedmatch result (that I think the most typical):

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 SE-Asian 57.91
    2 S-Indian 14.52
    3 NE-Asian 11.21
    4 Papuan 5
    5 Baloch 3.19
    6 Caucasian 2.97
    7 Beringian 1.64
    8 Siberian 1.32
    9 SW-Asian 1.24
    10 American 0.68
    11 San 0.33

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 thai (xing) 5.83
    2 khmer-cambodian (xing) 9.3
    3 cambodian (hgdp) 13.91
    4 singapore-malay (sgvp) 15.24
    5 dai (hgdp) 25.02
    6 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 25.45
    7 kinh (1000genomes) 25.94
    8 lahu (hgdp) 27.75
    9 vietnamese (xing) 28.64
    10 iban (xing) 31.56
    11 samoan (xing) 33.43
    12 khasi (chaubey) 33.71
    13 tongan (xing) 37.92
    14 burmanese (chaubey) 41.54
    15 garo (chaubey) 44.61
    16 great-andamanese (reich) 50.09
    17 onge (reich) 50.11
    18 bonda (chaubey) 51.94
    19 juang (chaubey) 51.98
    20 miao (hgdp) 53.06

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 95% thai (xing) + 5% aus (reich) @ 3.21
    2 96.3% thai (xing) + 3.7% papuan (hgdp) @ 3.31
    3 95.2% thai (xing) + 4.8% melanesian (hgdp) @ 3.42
    4 81% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 19% nepalese-c (xing) @ 4.54
    5 69.7% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 30.3% khasi (chaubey) @ 4.72
    6 91.8% thai (xing) + 8.2% tongan (xing) @ 4.76
    7 95.5% thai (xing) + 4.5% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 4.82
    8 95.8% thai (xing) + 4.2% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 4.83
    9 95.8% thai (xing) + 4.2% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 4.84
    10 95.2% thai (xing) + 4.8% bene-israel-jew (behar) @ 4.84
    11 95.6% thai (xing) + 4.4% kurd (harappa) @ 4.85
    12 95.9% thai (xing) + 4.1% iraq-jew (behar) @ 4.85
    13 95.6% thai (xing) + 4.4% iranian (behar) @ 4.85
    14 95.8% thai (xing) + 4.2% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 4.85
    15 95.7% thai (xing) + 4.3% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.85
    16 95.9% thai (xing) + 4.1% iranian-jew (behar) @ 4.86
    17 95.8% thai (xing) + 4.2% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 4.86
    18 95.9% thai (xing) + 4.1% assyrian (harappa) @ 4.86
    19 96% thai (xing) + 4% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 4.88
    20 96% thai (xing) + 4% georgia-jew (behar) @ 4.89
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
    Good observation Sheikh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sora View Post
    I think they mostly look like intermediate between Koreans/Chinese & South Indian. And generally have double eyelids(as many Southeast Asians) & dark-skinned

    a Thai Gedmatch result (that I think the most typical):

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 SE-Asian 57.91
    2 S-Indian 14.52
    3 NE-Asian 11.21
    4 Papuan 5
    5 Baloch 3.19
    6 Caucasian 2.97
    7 Beringian 1.64
    8 Siberian 1.32
    9 SW-Asian 1.24
    10 American 0.68
    11 San 0.33

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 thai (xing) 5.83
    2 khmer-cambodian (xing) 9.3
    3 cambodian (hgdp) 13.91
    4 singapore-malay (sgvp) 15.24
    5 dai (hgdp) 25.02
    6 dai-chinese (1000genomes) 25.45
    7 kinh (1000genomes) 25.94
    8 lahu (hgdp) 27.75
    9 vietnamese (xing) 28.64
    10 iban (xing) 31.56
    11 samoan (xing) 33.43
    12 khasi (chaubey) 33.71
    13 tongan (xing) 37.92
    14 burmanese (chaubey) 41.54
    15 garo (chaubey) 44.61
    16 great-andamanese (reich) 50.09
    17 onge (reich) 50.11
    18 bonda (chaubey) 51.94
    19 juang (chaubey) 51.98
    20 miao (hgdp) 53.06

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 95% thai (xing) + 5% aus (reich) @ 3.21
    2 96.3% thai (xing) + 3.7% papuan (hgdp) @ 3.31
    3 95.2% thai (xing) + 4.8% melanesian (hgdp) @ 3.42
    4 81% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 19% nepalese-c (xing) @ 4.54
    5 69.7% singapore-malay (sgvp) + 30.3% khasi (chaubey) @ 4.72
    6 91.8% thai (xing) + 8.2% tongan (xing) @ 4.76
    7 95.5% thai (xing) + 4.5% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 4.82
    8 95.8% thai (xing) + 4.2% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 4.83
    9 95.8% thai (xing) + 4.2% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 4.84
    10 95.2% thai (xing) + 4.8% bene-israel-jew (behar) @ 4.84
    11 95.6% thai (xing) + 4.4% kurd (harappa) @ 4.85
    12 95.9% thai (xing) + 4.1% iraq-jew (behar) @ 4.85
    13 95.6% thai (xing) + 4.4% iranian (behar) @ 4.85
    14 95.8% thai (xing) + 4.2% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 4.85
    15 95.7% thai (xing) + 4.3% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.85
    16 95.9% thai (xing) + 4.1% iranian-jew (behar) @ 4.86
    17 95.8% thai (xing) + 4.2% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 4.86
    18 95.9% thai (xing) + 4.1% assyrian (harappa) @ 4.86
    19 96% thai (xing) + 4% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 4.88
    20 96% thai (xing) + 4% georgia-jew (behar) @ 4.89
    Do you mind sharing that gedmatch kit please? I am also from Thailand but of mostly Chinese descent

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    Nice thread! I am from Thailand myself. Your observations are mostly correct imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maguzanci
    Do you mind sharing that gedmatch kit please? I am also from Thailand but of mostly Chinese descent
    Unfortunately I don't know the kits of samples. I've copied it from this page:

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...aworld-results
    Ask Sora: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Sora-anything

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
    Good observation Sheikh

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    Also @Maguzanci, do these celebrities look typical Thai?









    They're Thai K-Pop idols
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
    Good observation Sheikh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thambi View Post
    interesting observations. can you roughly estimate the percentage of chinese looking folks that you saw in thailand? I've read some stats that almost 40% of Thailand is of partial to full chinese descent but it might be over exaggerated.

    also how many folks looked indic/veddoid influenced among everyday thais?
    It is impossible for me to estimate: I didn't stay long enough to have an idea. In Bangkok probably somewhere above 10% look recognizably Chinese: most have been forcefully integrated and no longer speak their "dialect" (for others, a chinese "dialect" is as different from Mandarin as Romanian and Portuguese). Generally, they are upper class people, so you don't see them roaming on streets. Indic/veddoid influenced individuals are common in Southern Thailand but virtually non-existent in North.

    Some pictures I had (mostly Moken people) showing Negrito or Australoid admixture:










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    Quote Originally Posted by Sora View Post
    Also @Maguzanci, do these celebrities look typical Thai?









    They're Thai K-Pop idols
    They look like ethnic Chinese. Not typical...

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    political maps of Thailand history:
    1000-1100 AD

    900 AD

    1400 AD

    Interesting what happened with Khmer and Mon colonists after Thai invasion? It would be good if users post quotes from historical books about fate of these colonists.

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