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    Quote Originally Posted by Panamaman View Post
    No hay problema con darte el kit pero de qué se trata? Algún proyecto universitario?
    Este es mi ADN en dna.land
    West Eurasian 47% South European 23% South/Central European 22%
    Balkan 1.3%
    Southwestern European 11% Southwestern European 8.7%
    Sardinian 2.6%
    Northwest European 9.1%
    Ambiguous 1.7%
    Central Indoeuropean 1.3%
    African 34% West African 32% Lower Niger Valley 26%
    Senegal River Valley 5.3%
    East African 2.8%
    Native American 15% Native American 14%
    Amazonian 1%
    East-Turkic 2.4%
    Ambiguous 1.2%
    Es un estudio para este foro. Aquí no conocen casi nada de Panamá y me dedico a aportar información sobre Panama

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    43.75% Euro/MENA, 25% SSA, 18.75% Native American, 12.5% East Asian

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    Estos son mis resultados de Eurogenes K15
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Sub-Saharan 25.15
    2 Amerindian 18.37
    3 North_Sea 16.15
    4 Southeast_Asian 10.55
    5 West_Med 8.04
    6 Atlantic 7.30
    7 East_Med 5.05
    8 Eastern_Euro 3.82
    9 Red_Sea 2.90
    10 Siberian 1.40
    11 Northeast_African 1.25


    Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
    15 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Serbian @ 40.370796
    2 Spanish_Galicia @ 40.522717
    3 Romanian @ 40.911339
    4 Algerian @ 40.926327
    5 Portuguese @ 41.022568
    6 Mozabite_Berber @ 41.461617
    7 French @ 41.525776
    8 Spanish_Extremadura @ 41.653992
    9 Hungarian @ 41.725021
    10 North_Italian @ 41.784840
    11 Bulgarian @ 41.795563
    12 Moldavian @ 41.843472
    13 Greek_Thessaly @ 41.902950
    14 West_German @ 41.954590
    15 Tuscan @ 42.175983
    16 Spanish_Murcia @ 42.218723
    17 Tunisian @ 42.419197
    18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 42.448895
    19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 42.673328
    20 Austrian @ 42.684872

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Bantu_N.E. +50% West_German @ 27.648664


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% French +25% North_Amerindian +25% Yoruban @ 12.900170


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
    1 Algerian + North_Amerindian + West_Norwegian + Yoruban @ 12.003222
    2 Algerian + North_Amerindian + West_Norwegian + Yoruban @ 12.003222
    3 Moroccan + North_Amerindian + West_Norwegian + Yoruban @ 12.152110
    4 Moroccan + North_Amerindian + West_Norwegian + Yoruban @ 12.152110
    5 Algerian + Mandenka + North_Amerindian + West_Norwegian @ 12.162805
    6 North_Amerindian + Spanish_Galicia + West_German + Yoruban @ 12.208901
    7 North_Amerindian + Spanish_Galicia + West_German + Yoruban @ 12.208901
    8 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + West_Norwegian + Yoruban @ 12.306376
    9 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + West_Norwegian + Yoruban @ 12.306376
    10 Algerian + North_Amerindian + Orcadian + Yoruban @ 12.336193
    11 Algerian + North_Amerindian + Orcadian + Yoruban @ 12.336193
    12 Algerian + North_Amerindian + Norwegian + Yoruban @ 12.361829
    13 Algerian + North_Amerindian + Norwegian + Yoruban @ 12.361829
    14 North_Amerindian + Portuguese + West_German + Yoruban @ 12.382648
    15 North_Amerindian + Portuguese + West_German + Yoruban @ 12.382648
    16 Mandenka + Moroccan + North_Amerindian + West_Norwegian @ 12.396382
    17 Mandenka + North_Amerindian + Spanish_Galicia + West_German @ 12.425323
    18 Mandenka + Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + West_Norwegian @ 12.426380
    19 Algerian + Mandenka + North_Amerindian + Orcadian @ 12.478861
    20 Algerian + Mandenka + North_Amerindian + Norwegian @ 12.517692
    Panama para los Panameños



    43.75% Euro/MENA, 25% SSA, 18.75% Native American, 12.5% East Asian

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    ¿Y quiénes son ellos? Perdona las preguntas. Vine porque veo que escribes sobre ADN y sobre mi país. Mi kit tiene mi nombre real, voy a subir otro kit sin mi nombre y te comparto el número. Veo que usas Eurogenes. Nosotros conmucho ADN africano nos queda mejor Ethiohelix o Dodecaed. Mira los numeros que te da Eurogenes, 40 y buf. Tú como yo debes estar más cerca de los dominicanos y portorriqueños que de los europeos. Mus resultados en Eurogenes:
    mode.
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    Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Sub-Saharan 34.05
    2 North_Atlantic 18.26
    3 Amerindian 15.02
    4 West_Med 10.78
    5 East_Med 8.79
    6 Baltic 3.44
    7 Red_Sea 2.74
    8 Northeast_African 2.56
    9 Siberian 1.68
    10 West_Asian 1.52


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Mozabite_Berber @ 38.809288
    2 Algerian @ 39.849342
    3 Tunisian @ 40.596504
    4 Moroccan @ 41.934341
    5 West_Sicilian @ 44.489140
    6 Tuscan @ 44.551666
    7 North_Italian @ 44.857273
    8 Spanish_Extremadura @ 44.911259
    9 Greek_Thessaly @ 44.934452
    10 Portuguese @ 44.955227
    11 Spanish_Galicia @ 45.231579
    12 Italian_Abruzzo @ 45.320827
    13 Romanian @ 45.512230
    14 Bulgarian @ 45.723255
    15 Spanish_Murcia @ 45.838764
    16 East_Sicilian @ 45.853607
    17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 46.312485
    18 Central_Greek @ 46.542885
    19 Serbian @ 46.579983
    20 Spanish_Andalucia @ 46.623833

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Bantu_S.E. +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 18.219706


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% North_Italian +25% Pima +25% Yoruban @ 13.647951


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Southwest_English + Yoruban @ 9.935432
    2 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Southwest_English + Yoruban @ 9.935432
    3 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Southeast_English + Yoruban @ 10.107255
    4 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Southeast_English + Yoruban @ 10.107255
    5 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + West_Scottish + Yoruban @ 10.165945
    6 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + West_Scottish + Yoruban @ 10.165945
    7 North_Amerindian + Southwest_English + Tunisian + Yoruban @ 10.220804
    8 North_Amerindian + Southwest_English + Tunisian + Yoruban @ 10.220804
    9 Algerian + North_Amerindian + Southwest_English + Yoruban @ 10.231260
    10 Algerian + North_Amerindian + Southwest_English + Yoruban @ 10.231260
    11 Irish + Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Yoruban @ 10.260422
    12 Irish + Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Yoruban @ 10.260422
    13 Mayan + Mozabite_Berber + Southwest_English + Yoruban @ 10.309570
    14 Mayan + Mozabite_Berber + Southwest_English + Yoruban @ 10.309570
    15 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Orcadian + Yoruban @ 10.340829
    16 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Orcadian + Yoruban @ 10.340829
    17 Algerian + North_Amerindian + Southeast_English + Yoruban @ 10.433378
    18 Algerian + North_Amerindian + Southeast_English + Yoruban @ 10.433378
    19 Mayan + Mozabite_Berber + West_Scottish + Yoruban @ 10.447085
    20 Mayan + Mozabite_Berber + West_Scottish + Yoruban @ 10.447085

    Done.

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    Wow, eres más afro que Axel. Interesante.

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    Mi resultado en Myheritage:
    Todas las etnias
    África
    42,9%
    África Occidental
    29,2%
    Nigeriano
    22,6%
    Sierraleonés
    4,2%
    Africano occidental
    2,4%
    África del Norte
    7,9%
    Norafricano
    7,9%
    África del Este
    4,7%
    Masái
    3,1%
    Keniano
    1,6%
    África Central
    1,1%
    Centroafricano
    1,1%
    Europa
    30,4%
    Europa del Sur
    16,1%
    Sardo
    14,4%
    Italiano
    1,7%
    Europa del Norte y del Oeste
    10,0%
    Irlandés, escocés y gales
    10,0%
    Europa del Este
    3,2%
    Báltico
    3,2%
    Judío Askenazí
    1,1%
    Judío Askenazí
    1,1%
    América
    23,5%
    América Central y del Sur
    23,5%
    Mesoamericano y Andino
    23,5%
    Asia
    3,2%
    Asia del Este
    1,8%
    Esquimal/Inuit
    1,8%
    Asia del Oeste
    1,4%
    Asiático Occidental
    1,4%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panamaman View Post
    ¿Y quiénes son ellos? Perdona las preguntas. Vine porque veo que escribes sobre ADN y sobre mi país. Mi kit tiene mi nombre real, voy a subir otro kit sin mi nombre y te comparto el número. Veo que usas Eurogenes. Nosotros conmucho ADN africano nos queda mejor Ethiohelix o Dodecaed. Mira los numeros que te da Eurogenes, 40 y buf. Tú como yo debes estar más cerca de los dominicanos y portorriqueños que de los europeos. Mus resultados en Eurogenes:
    mode.
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    Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Sub-Saharan 34.05
    2 North_Atlantic 18.26
    3 Amerindian 15.02
    4 West_Med 10.78
    5 East_Med 8.79
    6 Baltic 3.44
    7 Red_Sea 2.74
    8 Northeast_African 2.56
    9 Siberian 1.68
    10 West_Asian 1.52


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Mozabite_Berber @ 38.809288
    2 Algerian @ 39.849342
    3 Tunisian @ 40.596504
    4 Moroccan @ 41.934341
    5 West_Sicilian @ 44.489140
    6 Tuscan @ 44.551666
    7 North_Italian @ 44.857273
    8 Spanish_Extremadura @ 44.911259
    9 Greek_Thessaly @ 44.934452
    10 Portuguese @ 44.955227
    11 Spanish_Galicia @ 45.231579
    12 Italian_Abruzzo @ 45.320827
    13 Romanian @ 45.512230
    14 Bulgarian @ 45.723255
    15 Spanish_Murcia @ 45.838764
    16 East_Sicilian @ 45.853607
    17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 46.312485
    18 Central_Greek @ 46.542885
    19 Serbian @ 46.579983
    20 Spanish_Andalucia @ 46.623833

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Bantu_S.E. +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 18.219706


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% North_Italian +25% Pima +25% Yoruban @ 13.647951


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Southwest_English + Yoruban @ 9.935432
    2 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Southwest_English + Yoruban @ 9.935432
    3 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Southeast_English + Yoruban @ 10.107255
    4 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Southeast_English + Yoruban @ 10.107255
    5 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + West_Scottish + Yoruban @ 10.165945
    6 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + West_Scottish + Yoruban @ 10.165945
    7 North_Amerindian + Southwest_English + Tunisian + Yoruban @ 10.220804
    8 North_Amerindian + Southwest_English + Tunisian + Yoruban @ 10.220804
    9 Algerian + North_Amerindian + Southwest_English + Yoruban @ 10.231260
    10 Algerian + North_Amerindian + Southwest_English + Yoruban @ 10.231260
    11 Irish + Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Yoruban @ 10.260422
    12 Irish + Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Yoruban @ 10.260422
    13 Mayan + Mozabite_Berber + Southwest_English + Yoruban @ 10.309570
    14 Mayan + Mozabite_Berber + Southwest_English + Yoruban @ 10.309570
    15 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Orcadian + Yoruban @ 10.340829
    16 Mozabite_Berber + North_Amerindian + Orcadian + Yoruban @ 10.340829
    17 Algerian + North_Amerindian + Southeast_English + Yoruban @ 10.433378
    18 Algerian + North_Amerindian + Southeast_English + Yoruban @ 10.433378
    19 Mayan + Mozabite_Berber + West_Scottish + Yoruban @ 10.447085
    20 Mayan + Mozabite_Berber + West_Scottish + Yoruban @ 10.447085

    Done.
    Yo sé que genotipicamente y fenotipicamente estoy más cerca de los dominicanos que de los panameños
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    Quote Originally Posted by axel.aleman View Post
    Yo sé que genotipicamente y fenotipicamente estoy más cerca de los dominicanos que de los panameños
    El genoma de los dominicanos es muy parecido al nuestro. Ellos son 50% blancos 38% negros y el resto indígenas taínos. Aunque en ciertas regiones de Panamá predomina el componente indígena.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panamaman View Post
    El genoma de los dominicanos es muy parecido al nuestro. Ellos son 50% blancos 38% negros y el resto indígenas taínos. Aunque en ciertas regiones de Panamá predomina el componente indígena.
    Yo sería 44% blanco, 25% negro, 18% indigena y 12% asiático oriental. Este componente no se nota en mi fenotipo y el indigena nada más se ve en los ojos rasgados y en la nariz combinado con el Berid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panamaman View Post
    El genoma de los dominicanos es muy parecido al nuestro. Ellos son 50% blancos 38% negros y el resto indígenas taínos. Aunque en ciertas regiones de Panamá predomina el componente indígena.
    Predomina en todo el país excepto Colón, La Península de Azuero y la Capital
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panamaman View Post
    El genoma de los dominicanos es muy parecido al nuestro. Ellos son 50% blancos 38% negros y el resto indígenas taínos. Aunque en ciertas regiones de Panamá predomina el componente indígena.

    Quote Originally Posted by axel.aleman View Post
    Yo sería 44% blanco, 25% negro, 18% indigena y 12% asiático oriental. Este componente no se nota en mi fenotipo y el indigena nada más se ve en los ojos rasgados y en la nariz combinado con el Berid
    Que se note o no se note no tiene ninguna importancia, somos lo que somos. Estás usando las calculadoras equivocadas. Estoy en esto del ADN desde 2017, sería muy demorado contarte por qué envié muestras de saliva a distintas compañías, pero en lo que toca a las calculadoras, te cuento que subí mi raw data a Mytrueancestry y encontré que me daba como ancient populations a Al Andalus y Moors, lo cual tiene algún sentido porque he encontrado que durante la colonia llegaron a Panamá muchos andaluces, de los cuales desciendo directamente, por ejemplo los De la Barrera. Lo de moros podría estar relacionado a algunos portugueses de los cuales descendemos los panameños, como los Negreiros. Pero, Mytrueancestry me daba una distancia genética de 24, es demasiado lejos, si es tu etnia debes estar a menos de diez. Eurogenes es erróneo para nosotros los que tenemos varias razas. Hay que usar dodecaed o ethiohelix. La población de la cual estoy más cerca es de la dominicana, evidentemente por el fuerte componente mulato.

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