View Poll Results: Is Georgia in Europe and are Georgians European?

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  • Yes: Georgia is in Europe and Georgians are European

    12 23.08%
  • Yes: Georgia is not in Europe but Georgians are European

    4 7.69%
  • No: Georgia is in Europe but Georgians are not European

    4 7.69%
  • No: Georgia is not in Europe and Georgians are not European

    27 51.92%
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Thread: Are Georgians European?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samnium View Post
    Yes but to me you can't surely take away "genetics" from the equation.

    Now Georgians if we see at a world scale genetically, are particuliarly close to Europeans, like many other West Asians. So even if they aren't Europeans they are still related.
    Yes but if you turn around and tell an everyday Pontic Greek or Greek Cypriot that they aren't genetically Greek and therefore "non-European", they will be deeply offended even if fully aware of their roots (which they are). I know it's different because both have been part of the Greek ethnos for thousands of years, but Georgia, as you know, does have many ties to Europe culturally, historically, religiously, etc. They would probably be by far the biggest outlier genetically, however. But I mean Greeks are an outlier genetically too if your European frame of reference is NW Euros. So, it's hard to say. At the end of the day, there is a line *somewhere*.

    I have no idea where the line ends either. I have no clue what factors should be deemed more important than others. That's what I mean, I truly think that's an individual thing. They are "far enough" to claim non-European identity. But the question would also automatically extend to Armenians too then. @FinalFlash are you European? What do most of you guys think? My guess is nobody cares enough to think about it. Something so obvious to us on here can be a complete afterthought in reality.

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    No.

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    They seem so to me but I don't know anyone from that area, I don't know what they are like or what they think of Europe.
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    I vote Other:
    Not European but European culturally influenced enough so that they don't seem to be a problem in Europe or here in the US (as opposed to other west asians, such as their cousins the Chechens). A fascinating people and culture. I hope to visit one day.

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    As you previously said that after the 11th century things changed for Georgians (becoming less European), I made a list of empires/kingdoms/entities/dynasties that held sway over Georgia pre-11th century.


    * Colchis
    * Achaemenid Empire
    * Kingdom of Iberia (antiquity)
    * Pharnavazids
    * Parthian Empire
    * Arsacid dynasty of Iberia
    * Lazica
    * Artaxiad dynasty of Iberia
    * Sasanian Empire
    * Roman Empire
    * Chosroids
    * Byzantine Empire
    * Rashidun Caliphate
    * Bagratid Iberia
    * Abbasid Caliphate
    * Emirate of Tbilisi
    * Kingdom of Abkhazia


    Can you tell me which ones of this long list were "European"?
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    No.

    Georgia is part of the Iran-Caucasus-Central Asia cultural zone.



    Latin America is more European than Georgia, culturally speaking.
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    No. They are not European, but like North Caucasians they are white. Culturally they are most European shifted Kavkaz country.

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    Of course they are, but Georgia is a transcontinental country like Russia and Turkey. But Georgians are considered European, just like Cypriots, and Cyprus falls fully in West Asia.

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    btw, I voted option 3 by accident. Option 4 is what I wanted to vote for.

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    A Georgian who says he is European has lost all self-respect and is a clown in my eyes.
    Same goes for other countries too (Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan etc.)

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